A wee bit scary

[MattR]

OK, so in another thread you say that you swap a Bimmer or a Porsche over every three years on a lease, by the sounds of it and SUV, being currently in a X5 from another post.

If you actually do believe the tripe you're carrying on with, why do you have overpriced Euro trash, when you could have the Chinese high quality knockoff SUV from Great Wall at about one fifth the price????

Oh, and Terry, you haven't answered, do you want me to pick up a set of brakes for you whilst I'm over here????

[speed]

Where is this evidence you speak of???
If I had the time I would create a meme using the midget from the man with the golden gun, screaming dupain dupain!
You appear to not be able to back up anything you write, yet gloss over that and keep drilling us with your crap.
Maybe to understand your view we should learn more about you. Tell me about your mother...


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[Snowmotion]

the thought that we are "superior" manufacturers.

Now you have spoken your true word and you seem to amplify this statement in all you write.

[Mr Morlock]

Dupain said the demise of Aust car industry was mainly labour cost. That is not the main reason for the wind down after nearly 100 years.Its easy to tok about labour costs but a another thing to have any idea of what that means in the cost of producing a car other more important factors. UK is bouncing back as a car maker and US is not exactly 3rd world labour costs .

Korea has been banging away for a long time trying to build competitive cars and they seem much better but only really catching up with where Mazda and Toyota and pother main streamers had been for many years. It would be a stretch to say we aspire to own a Hyundai- really

[shuey]

.... I quite like the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mr M (maybe it's cos it has Brembo brakes)

[Snowmotion]

.... I quite like the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mr M (maybe it's cos it has Brembo brakes)

Did you look closely and check the spelling on those brakes... ? lol
Perhaps they are Bembo ??

[MattR]

OK, so in another thread you say that you swap a Bimmer or a Porsche over every three years on a lease, by the sounds of it and SUV, being currently in a X5 from another post.

If you actually do believe the tripe you're carrying on with, why do you have overpriced Euro trash, when you could have the Chinese high quality knockoff SUV from Great Wall at about one fifth the price????

But why do you drive a Euro car rather than you're preferred Chinese manufactured SUV?????

[kalt]

Is there something inherently wrong with using surplus Porsche calipers? From the article:

2. Check the caliper design. There are kits being sold using old Porsche calipers that are repainted. You can tell an old Porsche caliper by its shape - it looks like a half circle, almost like a macaroni pasta. These are definitely surplus, and again you aren't sure of the condition internal components.

Damn, if Porsche are really that poor quality I'm holding off buying my 918

[StanTheMan]

Dupain said the demise of Aust car industry was mainly labour cost. That is not the main reason for the wind down after nearly 100 years.Its easy to tok about labour costs but a another thing to have any idea of what that means in the cost of producing a car other more important factors. UK is bouncing back as a car maker and US is not exactly 3rd world labour costs .

Korea has been banging away for a long time trying to build competitive cars and they seem much better but only really catching up with where Mazda and Toyota and pother main streamers had been for many years. It would be a stretch to say we aspire to own a Hyundai- really

Toyota Hilux.....designed in Japan. Made in Thailand.... give me one of those any day as opposed to any VW, Mini, Aston Martin.

Everything is expensive in Australia. Labour is just one part of it. However blaming the demise of the AUS car industry purely on labour is naive in my opinion. Or getting a reaction, which Dupain is a master at.

On the other hand....Chinese manufacturing is great. Most things in our daily life are manufactured there.

comparing Chinese made cars to cars made in other parts of the world? i don't know. Not up to date. But to me its more about the engineering & design which reflects on the make regardless of where its made. A lot of the BMW in AUS are made in South Africa. Some are made in India.

To me, I'd never own any euro cars. Least of all any VAG. They are mostly over engineered, break down too often or have too many maintenance issues. Also the local distributor & their arrogance or lack of customer service of the AU market reflects badly on a marque.

Its not just where the car is made. Its a lot of things. I absolutely love the way they look(eUro cars & VAG's) Most of them are soooo sexy & currently i'm so frustrated that all the Japanese cars look like riced up barges. With the exception of 2 or 3 . But its the fact that the design is crap. not necessarily the manufacturing.

Maybe i live in the past. Glory days of Japanese cars of the 80's & 90's.


cars made in China? sure....but where they are made in this particular case....is irrelevant. I'd have no problems driving a Japanese car made in china if it wasn't for their ricey looks atm.

whats my point? when it comes to manufacturing. I would agree China is up there with the best of them and manufactuing is a skill.. But to the consumer. (that would be us) it becomes irrelevant where a car is actually made. Its more about the way a car is designed and our experience with that car.
However not everyone can come up with a good design. But anyone can copy a good design.

[project.r.racing]

More recently, look at Hyundia and Kia etc - the Koreans. 20 years ago when they brought out the Excels for less than $10K new.

$13,990, not under $10K.

[project.r.racing]

We've seen history repeating again. Japan, Korean ... China.

Good to see you using pretense. History maybe be repeating. Which someday China will build a good production car. Right now they dont.

[Mr Morlock]

I agree with almost everything Stan said- mostly my sentiments.Cost in Aust was a big factor and a lot of that comes down to the many overheads and relative lack of support by Govt- everywhere else Govts make manufacturing cars as attractive as possible.

The cars that may be ok in China are the ones made using the technology know how and engineering of GM, VW etc. How many years have VW been in China- my guess at least 30 years.

I do however think that where a car is made is a factor because the philosophy and work practises are an important ingredient. One of the key factors for car co is having a well developed infrastructure and to some extent that is being compromised. I would prefer a Mazda built in Hiroshima to one built in Thailand as an example but we do not get a choice. I know that the makers rate their own plants and they are not all equal.

When Toyota first went to USA they brought line workers to Japan to see how it was done and to infuse some of their philosophy. I think US had an appalling record with Ford and GM and it was only the Japanese onslaught that belatedly shook them up. US philosophy was build them as fast as possible and push them off the line and fix them later. Toyota never ever took that route.

[speed]

I love VAG but I buy parts from ECS in the states. Also have vcds so I can change certain settings.


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[StanTheMan]

Sure that's just my personal experience.

i'd rather push my Mazda than purchase a Vag.crap. LOL we've all heard that before in the 70's & 80's with the Harleys & fast, reliable, cheap Japanese motorbikes

except the Japanese made Harley Davidson and the British wake up & smell the Homos.....maybe even the Choermans as well. None of their cars leak oil any more at least.

[StanTheMan]

But all the VW, Audi's BMW's are all so farking sexy......pwoar.


the groin twitches even at my old age when i see those cars.