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Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:08 pm

Hi guys, I'm redoing my garage thread to fix up some broken image links and do a bit of a clean up. I hope I'm not annoying anyone, I will shoot Okibi a message when I'm done and the old thread can be deleted.

So come down memory lane with me, I can't believe how far the car has come in such a short period of time. No wonder my girlfriend hates me...!


Hello everybody. To cut to the chase I've bought an NA8, simply because I like the look of it better than my NB8B (Which is for sale if you're interested ;) )

Here's what it looked like a few weeks ago when I bought it:
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It's not perfect, but for the price and an odometer of 170k, I think i've done alright.
Did oil and filter and have been tooling around in it.

It was sitting on NB8A wheels, but I sold them off and threw my MazdaSpeeds on:


Here's my two 5's together:
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Since my ride height looked like this:
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I spent the last two days putting BC coil overs in, which I took photos of as I went along (which is new for me).

I did the rears first, which I'd highly recommend as they're far easier to deal with.

Step 1:
Open the boot, Remove carpet and the metal plate that hides the suspension top on the passenger side. It's four 10mm bolts and the carpet clips can be removed with your fingernails. This is where it's handy to play guitar; good luck removing the carpet clips by hand without fingernails.

Step 2:
Remove the two 14mm nuts which hold the suspension top-hats to their mounting points in the boot. You'll need an assortment of socket driver extendery things:
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Put the nuts aside, you won't need them for the minute.


Step 3:
Jack, jack stands, take the wheel off. My pictures don't show the jackstands because I went back and took the photos as I was packing up in most cases:


Step 4:
After spraying everything with WD-40, you'll have to break out:
-14mm spanner and socket
-17mm socket
-Socket driver (1/2" is what I used and is probably the go)
-Small breaker bar
-Big breaker bar (probably don't need this but 750mm breaker bars are a lot of fun)

Start by taking out the bolt which attaches the bottom of the shock to the lower control arm:
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(Big breaker bar coming in handy)

Step 5:
You'll now need to disconnect the sway-bar end link from the lower control arm. This is far easier if you disconnect it at the end-link control arm union as opposed to the end-link sway-bar union. Take my word for it.
You can crack the nut on the end-link using a 14mm socket with extender on one side and a 14mm spanner on the other:
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Take the nut off and put it aside, BUT DO NOT PULL THE BOLT OUT OF THE END-LINK YET.
Well, you can, but the end-link will shoot out as you pull the bolt out, it won't go anywhere because it's connected, but just to be safe I jacked up the lower control arm to take the tension off the end-link:
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(Please ignore the coilover already being in place, forgot to take a photo of the second jack until the very end)

Now have a coffee it's it's before 1pm, or a beer if it's after 1pm:
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Step 6:
Now it's time to take the old shock out. This is really easy, you've got two options:
-Get a friend to stand on the lower control arm whilst you pull the shock out
-Use a giant breaker bar to leverage the lower control arm down with one hand whilst you pull the shock out with the other

I used the giant breaker bar method (any excuse to use that breaker bar).
Here's a picture of how I used the bar for leverage.
In this pic you will see the that bar goes under the sub-frame brace, onto the lower control arm. You'll also see that the bar also goes between the sway-bar end link mounting points, DO NOT DO THIS!
I just mocked this up as I once again forgot to take a photo. Make sure the bar is no where near those end link supports as I can't imagine them being very strong in the fore-aft direction:
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Gently push down on the bar with one hand to pull the lower control arm down, while pulling the shock out with your other hand. No need to push very hard at all.

Step 7:
Putting the new shock in. Since I put coilovers in, it was an absolute breeze, since Coilovers are much shorter than a shock/spring combo.
First, slot the coilover into place and put the bolt through the bottom of the coilover to connect it to the lower control arm. Then use the jack like before:
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to lift the suspension so that the top of the coilover can be mounted inside the boot, and the sway-bar end link can be easily connected (good luck doing this without a jack or a friend to help you handle the whole situation).

Keep the jack in place while you tighten everything down to mimic the weight of the car.

That's it for the rears, will write up the fronts a bit later.

Bonus Content:
How much weight do you save by using BC coilovers??
Since we're all obsessed with weight, let's find out...

Me (I've just finished exams, so yeah, I'm a bit lardy at the moment):
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With stock assembly:
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With the coilovers:
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Does this count as sprung weight or unsprung weight?

I bought this before I bought the car:
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From Dan the parts guy in templestowe. I've been meaning to unfollow him on Facebook because I'm constantly tempted with japanese goodies that live not far from my house.

He included a pair of lucas lights from an old mini, but they needed some serious love. Here's a before and after of the chrome rings, I used alu. foil and water:
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The internals were just as bad:
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Which cleaned well with some metho and a scouring pad:
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After cleaning up the glass lenses with alu. foil on the rusty areas then washed in dish soap I now have a pretty presentable set of old lucas lights:
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I'll quickly write up the install of the front coilovers, the sun had disappeared by this point so the photos are pretty awful.

There's not much more to the fronts compared to the rears, only one extra step.

Step 1:
Under the bonnet, undo the two 14mm nuts which connect the suspension top hats to the car. The hardest part of this is navigating some of the wires, which is not that bad.
Jack up the car and remove the plastic undertray, it's the thing you'll see hanging down from the car in the pics below. It's just a matter of hunting down all the 10mm bolts that hold it on, then not losing them.

Step 2:
Undo the lower shock bolt (bolt that connects the shock to the lower control arm).
The front lower shock bolt is a nut and bolt arrangement, as opposed to the bolt threading directly into the lower control like the rear. You'll want a mallet or similar to gently tap the bolt out once the nut is off.
The nut and bolt are 17mm, so you'll want either a socket/spanner combo or socket/small breaker bar combo to make sure the nut is actually undoing. I used a socket small breaker bar combo because that makes me feel manly.

Step 3:
Undo the sway bar mount bolts.
Sway bar mounts?
The sway bar mounts are what connect the sway bars to the chassis, they are not the sway bar end-links.
There's two 12mm bolts to undo:
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The reason these have to be undone instead of the end-link is because of the next step.

Step 4:
Removing the giant bolt that connects the upper control arm to the body:
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Both the nut and bolt head are 21mm, so bar/spanner at either side to crack and remove the nut.

Step 5:
Removing the giant bolt part 2.
Now that the nut is gone, the bolt has to be slid out. This is fiddly, as the bolt has to slide behind this metal bracket on it's way out:
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The big arrow shows the direction that the bolt must slide out.

To get the bolt out, you can tap lightly on the exposed bolt at the nut end with a mallet. This will only get you 15% of the way to getting the bolt out.

Once you have done this, push the giant washer up against the bolt head and put an open spanner between over the bolt to it's flush against the washer, I'm sorry for the awful pic:
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Tap lightly on the spanner to push the bolt out.

This will work until the bolt head disapears behind the metal bracket mentioned earlier. At this point you may be able to just pull the bolt free with your hands, like I was able to do one the other side of the car, or it may need some more tapping.

In order to have something to tap on, I put a cloth over the bolt to protect it and gripped it lighty with grippy thingos (multi-grips?):
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No need to grip tightly, the bolt wants to come out and the last thing you want to do is scratch it.
Tap the grippy things lightly with a mallet to finally free the bolt.

Step 6:
Now that the upper control arm bolt is gone, the suspension may try twist and fall on you like this:
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It would help to have an extra set of hands here to hold everything as you pull the old shock out. It would also help to have the new shock nearby and ready to go.

At this point the shock essentially falls out of the suspension, so it's just a matter of putting everything back together.

Step 7:
Put the new shock in place with one hand whilst trying to hold the suspension together with the other.
Put the giant upper control arm bolt back into place once the new shock is loosely in position, as this will make putting the other bolts back 100 times easier.
To get the suspension re-mounted under the bonnet, use a second jack to lift the suspension assembly upwards; just like for the rear suspension.
Make sure everything goes back exactly the same way as it went together, and that everything is tight.

Overall, I'd say that if you can change your oil and filter, you can probably put a set of coilovers in. I did mine over two days, which I'd recommend budgeting for if you've got minimal experience like myself. As a reference, I did the first rear in a couple of hours, and the second in 30 minutes. The first front in over two hours and the second front in 20 minutes.

I ended up using a heap of different tools that I didn't expect to use, so if your tool set is limited I'd recommend having a friend on stand-by to borrow some from.

Bonus content:

What is the weight saving of the BC coilover on the front?

Me without any suspension:
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Me with stock suspension:
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Me with the BC's:
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So when I changed the oil, I noticed that the bottom of the trans was wet. After some reading and inspecting it appeared that my CAS o-ring was gone.
I read a few guides on changing it, but I feel like they could've gone into a bit more detail, so I'll try to fill in some blanks.

I just finished changing it, so I'll write it up whilst it's fresh in my head.

Step 1:
Figure out what you're looking for. On an NA8 the CAS is at the back of the head on the exhaust side. Apparently it's on the intake side on an NA6.
You can see it here in the centre of the frame, under two electrical connectors:
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Steps 2 and 3:
Remove the two electrical connectors and put the lose wires over to the other side of the engine to keep them out of your way:
Draw a couple of lines on the CAS extending into the rest of the engine. These will help you put the CAS back into position when it's time to assemble:
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The thing in the red circle is... ummm... some sort of CAS protector?
No idea what it's protecting the CAS from, but you'll need it out of the way, there's only one 12mm bolt holding it there:
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Step 4:
Everything is out of the way now, so you can remove the CAS.
It's a weird looking 12mm bolt with really poor access. Good thing I bought my Dad a set of ratcheting spanners for his birthday then immediately borrowed them:
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Look down behind the CAS and you'll see the bolt that's needs to be removed:
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Whack your spanner on and loosen it up:
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Unwind it with your fingers after you've cracked it with a spanner, it's a funny looking bolt:
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Step 5:
Now the CAS is ready to come out. This is the trickiest fiddliest step.
You want to pull the CAS straight back towards the fire wall, so that you don't change the orientation of the wing-nut looking thing on the CAS which attaches to the camshaft.
It's a good idea to mark the position of the wing-nut thing relative to the CAS housing after you've pulled the CAS back towards the firewall, just incase you knock it out of position when you try and wrestle it from the engine bay.
Here's a picture of what I mean, the black mark on the CAS housing marks the position of the wing-nut thing as it was inside the engine:
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As you try to get the CAS out from behind the engine, be careful not to knock the wing-nut thing, it will make everything easier if it doesn't move.
Getting the CAS out is not fun, there's not a lot of room back there.
I ended up taking out a bolt from the CAS U-bracket, the arrow points to the bolt (12mm) I removed, and the circled bolt is the one that I loosened so that I didn't have one bolt fully tight and the other off:
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After some fiddling it will come out, just try not to swear too much, or knock the wing-nut thing.

Here's a picture of the CAS once removed, you can see the wing-nut thing I keep talking about.:
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The CAS is marked with the Mitsubishi emblem. Most people think Mitsubishi translates as 'Three Diamonds,' but it actually translates as 'Three Water Chestnuts,' with Mittsu meaning three and hishi or 'bishi' meaning Water Chestnut.
There you go.

Step 6:
Cut off the old o-ring, mine felt like plastic it was so hard:
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Clean up all the gunk under the o-ring:
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Smother the new o-ring in whatever oil you have handy:
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Double check that the water hose underneath the CAS is still intact after having hot oil leaked on it:
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Mine was, but if it had gone on longer it probably would've been leaking.

Step 7:
Time for everything to go back together.
Line up the wing-nut thing with the mark you made if you knocked it getting the CAS out.
Get the CAS back behind the engine, and insert it in trying to line up the marks you made on the engine and CAS originally.
Mine went in first go, but I took it out again and put it in incorrectly to find out what it feels like when you've got it wrong.

Since you've put a new o-ring on, there will be some resistance even if you've lined everything up perfectly, as the o-ring has to squash into it's new home. If you've gotten it wrong, the resistance will feel very 'hard' as opposed the the 'spongy' resistance of the o-ring being squashed. Just use you're brain and feeling and you'll be able to feel what is right or not.

Here it is back in place:
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All that's left to do is return all the bolts back to where they were, reconnect the two electrical connectors and make sure the car still runs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TUXhy ... e=youtu.be

EDIT FROM THE FUTURE: Dear past self, buy a timing light and recheck base timing. You'll need it in the future anyway.

The end.

It took 70 minutes, and 25 of those minutes were spent trying to get the thing out from behind the engine. I'll be keeping an eye on it to make sure my leak has been fixed.
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:15 pm

Whacked the bumper on today:
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All buttoned down:
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Did my shifter bushings and turret oil today.
Was really easy, and very much needed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-cxeC ... e=youtu.be

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Took off all the bushings:
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All new ones:
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Sucked up the old oil using a syringe with a tube. I've got a fair few of them because I nick them from my dad's work. Perfect for changing turret oil:
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Hmmmmm:
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If you've got $100 to spend on your car, changing shifter boots and bushings is a must. The change is night and day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_4wYj ... e=youtu.be

Also knocked up some wiring harnesses for the lucas lights in the new bumper:
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And by knocked up I mean cried and begged until it was finally soldered properly.

The new bumper is now at Mx5 factory being painted, can't wait to get it back!

Incase anyone is still playing at home, bumper came back from paint today!

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Mx5 factory did an epic job considering the condition the bumper was in, it's like new.

Installed the lucas lights. This was such a hassle. The bulb holders are screwed into the bumper and the lense and chrome retaining ring have to be fed onto the rubber when everything is in place. I 'borrowed' my mum's plastic chocolate making spatulas to do this, and her hairdryer. Let's see how that pans out...
Also needed silicon spray lube which I luckily had.
The light is incredibly solid considering that the lense is held in by rubber alone.
Some pics:
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Off to work, will bolt it on the car in the next couple of days.
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:23 pm

Went for a proper drive:
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Engine is being a touch smokey, so I'm now changing pcv valve and vacuum hoses since they look pretty tired and cracked.

Alright everyone, things have gotten real over the past few days.
Why?
Because I'm more ambitious than talented, probably.

I actually bought a chaste white mx5 specifically, because I was hugely inspired by a certain famous R2 limited from another forum.
Since we didn't get the red interiors down here besides the handful of macdonalds cars (malibu gold with red interior) I decided to go and make my interior red on my own.

About a 6 weeks ago I placed an order with Interior Innovations for a set of dark red leather seat covers, which apperently matched well to the mx5 factory red leather.
I also ordered a hide matching leather to do the dash and door cards. Here they are: Image


I revived them on Thursday, and spent yesterday and today solidly working. I got paint matched to the leather and painted the bottom of the dash and am almost done with the top:
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Lots of work still to go, so I'll try and update as I make progress.

Almost there. This is still a rough trim, will do the final cut when I get my hands on a sharp craft knife.
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Winding down with some upholstery and Archer:
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It took eight episodes:
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Sheered the very last bolt whilst reassembling the seat, absolutely heartbroken.
The bolt is only brass and I really went after it, mostly because the seat had fought me the entire reassembly process.
I'm going to grab an easy out from bunnings, any other ideas for getting it out?
Anyone have a spare bolt?
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You little beauty!
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Thanks speed and slugdub.
This afternoon was a much needed win after all that reupholstering, very fiddly and frustrating job.
One down, one to go:
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Covered the large crash pad and am currently 'massaging' everything into place.
My thumbs are on fire, I had to call it a day before a started crying out of thumb fatigue.
Here it is:
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Still needs some love in a couple of areas but it's getting close to going in.
Getting excited!
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:26 pm

Gutted the interior today:
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My soap and water bucket doubled as an in-case-of-emergency spew bucket today, since I was hungover like a mother:
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This morning was a good morning.
It started with a delivery:
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Awesome quality from topgaitors.

So I got stuck in to the carpet the past few days and finally got it to a point where the dash could go back in:
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You might be wondering why the carpet is still a mess, I'm going to do the final perimeter trim once both seats and the dash are in, in case the carpet moves when I bolt everything down.

From there, things started going back in:
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Very pleased that I labelled everything I possibly could:
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Installed the handbrake gaitor and a new handbrake sleeve I picked up on Gumtree for 30 bucks. Pretty sure it's an IL jobby. It came with a whole mechanism so if you want an NB handbrake come grab it.
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The passenger seat is in, still have to do the top half of the drivers seat. Will most likely do it tonight after work.

Here's some shots of where I am at the moment:
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Lost interest in the footy at quarter time today, so got busy tidying up the carpet.
This wasn't a fun job, I made a song about doing a carpet install, to the tune of the hockey pockey.

You put the left seat in.
You take the left seat out.
You put the left seat in,
And you shake it all about.
You throw the socket at the ground and you crack the s**ts.
And that's what it's all about.


I've been using a knife to do all this carpet stuff, as the $50 pair of leather/fabric scissors I bought from Spotlight exploded immediately when shown the carpet. That's what you get for paying $45 too much for a pair of scissors.
I've managed to not cut myself with the knife until today:
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If any of my neighbours are reading, I'm sorry about my language...

So the drivers side carpet now looks like this:
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All tucked up behind the kick panel; it's a pretty satisfying feeling.

I'm not happy with the passenger side yet, but I'm almost there.
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Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:32 pm

Making slow progress, the interior is back together except for:

-Steering wheel plastic shroud
-The instrument binnacle broke when I pulled it out so I'm in need of a new one

So almost there.

Photos (please excuse the awful photos and the wonky glovebox, I'm still working on that):
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On an unrelated note, do I need some more low?
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Now, you might notice that the door panels are still black vinyl.
Yuck.
My next project is to trim those in the leftover leather, of which there is plenty. There's probably enough to make myself a jacket to match my car... lol.

Before I start I'm trying to work out some details, for the door pulls I'm buying some Alu ones from Dann:
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But I'm stuck on the speaker covers. I've got two options:

1. Eunos covers:
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I like the look of these and they're Mazda items so Morlock should be happy. I was outbid on a set on YJA the other day.

2. Carbon miata covers:
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These are slightly cheaper than a used set of Eunos covers but I'm not sure about the big 'M'.

Can't decide. Opinions?

So it's a lovely Saturday morning here in Melbourne, but because of my choice of dinner last night (curry) and drink (beer) I'm now sitting in a chair contemplating my bad decisions. So, I may as well write up a bit more.

Last post everything was coming together, but the doors were still stock black vinyl.

Boooooooooo! Hisssssssss!

So it was time for some upholstery work, first I had to pull then separate the door panels:
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The drivers side was pretty warped, unfortunately.

Found the remote for my stereo! Hello 2002!:
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The door bottoms were pretty straight forward:
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The bottom one is the drivers side which was warped, the passenger side came out well:
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Got some door pulls from the local Japanese parts guy, the one of the right I polished and the one on the left is awaiting polish:
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Peeled the vinyl off the top halves:
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Rough traced them:
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Here's one I prepared earlier:
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Bit of wrinkling but I'm pretty happy with these:
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The door pulls were flat so I used some seat belt tower spacers I had in my parts bin to space them out from the door:
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One door down:
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EDIT:
Oh!
You may be wondering how the glovebox magically painted itself. I took some pics to show what I did:
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I painted all the textured plastic surfaces, I really liked how it turned out:
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I didn't paint the handle or inside since they cop a lot of abuse and I didn't want flaking paint.

Had a fun day today:
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So, I got right to it:

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I was deleting the plastic 'walls' on the left side of the panel and broke my pliers:

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Mazda: 1
Me: 0

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This is my favourite detail of Adam's gauges, a nice little copyright that can't be seen once everything is back together. Really thoughtful and super professional:

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Thanks everyone.

Slug, yes mine is fibreboard. Unfortunately the drivers side has gotten water or maybe excessive heat on it at some point and is no longer flat. Ahhh the joys of working with fibreboard.

The carpet is great. I still don't consider mine fully installed because I've got some tidying up to do still behined the glove box.
I made the parcel shelf:
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And they overlocked it for free despite me trying to pay them:
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It's fits the same as my original parcel shelf, which is not great...

Also Bruce, ended up with the plain pulls as they were 70 bucks, and our dollar is pretty rubbish at the moment.
They polished up pretty well:
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:46 pm

Thanks sailaholic, I read the FM radiator PDF. What would we do without all their write-ups?
So, after reading Madjaks and OMGPhams build threads I went the eBay route. I had grandiose ideas of oil coolers and the like but ended up using the logic: if an eBay rad is good enough for Pham and Madjak it's good enough for me. -10 Morlock points for me.
I went 42mm core with twin fans and aluminium shroud.

I'm still ordering bits and pieces for the timing belt/seals/radiator/coolant reroute job. This is turning into the most epic case of 'while I'm in there' in history.

For the big service I'm using:
Seals and belt from the Mania DIY 100k service kit.
A lisle seal remover from Amazon

For the re-route I'm using:
MX5+ coolant spacer
Cadillac upper raiator hose as per Revlimiter's blog: http://revlimiter.net/blog/2011/05/coolant-re-route-1/
Gaskets from Begi
Front thermostat block-off plate from Begi
Kia water neck from Begi
Thermostat from Mania
eBay rad and fans
Hose clamps from supercrap or the like

Will I need anything else. Anything you wish you had/knew before you set out on your re-route or timing belt/seal job?

Also here's some pics of my car that I took, I'm an awful photographer:
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Well, set out on the weekend to do the timing belt, seals, radiator and coolant re-route:
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I gave myself the weekend plus Monday if I needed it since I wasn't working.
Was a bit of a pain to be honest, especially the re-route. The timing belt job isn't that bad, but the 20 year old bolts were soft as cheese. I rounded one on the water pump inlet pipe when my socket slipped with barely any force. Ended up pulling the inlet with the water pump for some surgery in a bench vice. I also sheared a water pump pulley bolt whilst tightening it to 15Nm.

15Nm!!!!!

Pics of the offending bolt:
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I managed to twist it out from the other side of the flange with needle nose pliers.

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I also fitted a coolant reroute with parts from Begi and MX5+.
MX5+'s customer service is immense, they answered every one of my annoying questions quickly and they ship immediately. Begi's is awful. Like, really, really awful. I couldn't get any reply at all for over a week.
The only reason I needed to order form Begi was for a front thermostat block off plate, which MX5+ don't make. So, please MX5+, make a front block off plate to save DIY Australians the hassle of dealing with Begi and the exchange rate.
Also a big thanks to MX5 Mania while I'm on the topic.

Here's the MX5+ spacer and Kia water neck:
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The spacer is beautiful, it's such a shame it's at the back of the engine. The fit is perfect and the position of the auxiliary tap keeps any extra sensors free from any obstructions. I did have to extend the wiring for the stock water temp sensor because of it's new location though, but that was probably the easiest part of the whole ordeal.

The other sensor is a VDO water temp sensor, which will feed a proper water temp gauge once I get out to Howard Instruments again.

This took a whole lot of swearing and bloody fingers to install, everything back there is sharp. Hopefully never have to do it again.

Today I gave my car a Christmas present in the form of a two hour clean and wax, but it gave me a Christmas present back when I was cleaning the exhaust tip:
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Yep, turns out I have an RS-R Power exhaust, WIN!
I was a bit curious after Aka_Juffa pointed out that my exhaust tip was quite large, turns out he was on the money.

To impress my girlfriends young cousins on Christmas day I ordered some googly eyes from eBay. They're a perfect fit and a pretty good laugh:
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:49 pm

JB hifi were (still are?) having a massive sale on car audio. Not your usual 20% off rrp rubbish, over 50% usual prices.
Although I wasn't actively looking for a new stereo, my current one annoys me to death.
To play my music i need to use an aux cord, which is fine, but it means i can't change tracks from the head unit. In my nb8b I had bluetooth music and loved it, so i picked up this:
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This unit is quite interesting.
Firstly it was $75 or thereabouts, diwn from 160 something.

Secondly it is 'mechless.'
I had no idea this was a common thing now, but basically it's a CD player that doesn't play CD'S.

Have a look, the old JVC unit (circa 2002) is on top and the new sony underneath:
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Another shot for comparison:
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Instead of playing my CD's, it has a full array of digital media support like usb, iphone, bluetooth and of course radio and aux. So I won't be able to play my original copy of Whitesnake's 1987, but that's probably for the best.

Install took 30mins.

Out with the old eyesore of a JVC:
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Unbelievably the sony and JVC had exactly the same plug, no wiring needed at all!

In with the sony, the black looks so much better than the grey of the JVC:

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Bluetooth paired flawlessly and reconnects without me doing anything once the car has been off.

Two problems so far, the aerial is up all the time, and whenever I turn the car off the sony beeps to tell me to detach the faceplate. The sony in my old 2001 camry did the same thing and drove me nuts. I thought they wouldve stopped this by now.

Bonus content:
How much weight can you save by using a mechless head unit?

Old:
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New:
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Well today I picked up this little box:
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But why?

Well, I picked up some parts from Juffa a couple of months ago:
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The mani and dump are supposedly of NitroDann origin. That's an Innovate LC-1 as well.
I also have:

Braided lines with AN-6 ends
AN Banjo fittings to fit a Nissan T2
Intercooler and bracket


Not bad considering I'm all in for less than $1k

On the shopping list still is:

Turbo (Nissan)
Various fittings
Injectors
Intercooler piping
Fuel pump


I will be annoying everyone shortly with a million questions. Please and Thankyou :)

Well, after much part gathering and internet researching I now have all the bits and pieces to install the Adaptronic. The plan is to install it and get a nice road tune on it before doing the turbo bits and pieces.

I tried to make an intake out of stainless steel. This was a good idea in my head, 'It's very strong!' I thought. It is very strong, too strong for my crappy tools to make it easily through, apparently. Here's Attempt numero uno, le pipe de la stainless:

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The drill (14.5mm) was just not happy trying to make it through such an epically hard material. It really is harder than a 15 year-old at an all girls school.

So, I jumped on eBay, and ordered some 45deg bent Aluminium. Although more prone to rub through, my tools cut through it easily without making me anxious with unhappy sounds.

Attempt numero duet, les cylinderial de la Aluminium:

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I used a 3/8NPT tap to thread the 3/8NPT IAT and a 5/8 barb fitting in. Using SAE tools and parts makes me sick, but there's so much info on MT.net in units of the American imperial army that I just wanted to play safe and copy.

Is there a metric taper pipe thread?

Anyway, test fit:

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Good enough for the temporary thing it is. I still have to plumb the IAC hose, though.

QUESTION TIME!

I'm trying to route the serial cables from my LC-1 through the firewall, and have tried these three plugs:

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The red plug: Behind here is black plastic and I can't seem to get my coat-hanger guide through.

The blue plug: Is too small for the serial ends.

The green plug:
Seems the most promising. I can get the coat hanger though but cant find it on the other side.

So, which is the preferred plug for feeding things though to the ECU? One of these? Or another which I've missed completely ( I wouldn't put it past me).

Also, where do people route the MAP line through? All the MT.net info is weird, because all their cars are backwards. If only Britain fought a bit harder in the War of Independance, then this info would be much easier to come by.

Well!
The adaptronic is installed and starts. Before I elaborate here's some pics of the set-up:

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And in Knock-off GoPro Fish Eye:

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Some more Pics, I feel like a big boy using loom wrap for the lines:

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But, look at this utter clusterflip of wiring:

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I really need to tidy this up.

I used these grommets for the MAP and serial lines:

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The car starts and idles up to 1500rpm, slowly dropping back down just a bit faster than the OEM ECU comes back down. It doesn't want to rev and is running rich. I will address this tomorrow, after I set base timing (please lend me a timing light someone).

In the NA8 basemap I can't seem to find an aux out for the thermo-fan. Is it labelled 'water temp 87/90?'
I inverted it and the fan didn't start.

Hmmm look what turned up today.
2 day shipping, big shout out to aus post.
Also a big thanks to koop21! Thanks for putting up with my bargaining and questions :)
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby Dehamsta » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:49 pm

Wow amazing interior work!

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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:59 pm

Thanks Dehamsta!

Continued from the old thread!

I while back I asked dann (rupewretch) to grab some things of YJA for me.
They turned up the other week.
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Not sure which one I want to get cut yet. The familia silhouette will either go to my friend who has a protege, or I'll keep it, as my car is powered by the familia engine anyway.

Any thoughts?

So a couple of things happened happened this week.
On Monday I went to Forrest Hill Chase Shopping Centre to buy a turbo in the car park. Not dodgy at all...
It's a GT2554R:
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I took it apart to take the exhaust housing to Top Torque to get the flange holes drilled out a bit to fit the exhaust manifold. The exhaust manifold went to Top Torque as well, turns out it's pretty bent and is in need of machining. But that's all part of buying second hand parts of unknown origins.

In this process of doing the exchange at Forrest hill I lost my keys, good thing I got those Royal Clover keys a few weeks ago. Went to Mazda for the code, then took my spare key and the Popeye key blank to Garrison locksmiths in Box Hill.
Excellent service, after explaining that the blanks were rare and hard to get, the bloke at Garrison cut me a test key on a plain blank before cutting the Royal Clover blank at no extra cost. He gave me the plain blank too so now I have a spare to keep in my wallet for when I lock my keys in the car.

Matches well with the MX-5 club key-ring:
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Also got a 2" spacer for the Moto-Lita:
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THE WHEEL DOESN'T TOUCH MY KNEES NOW!
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN AN MX-5 MY KNEES ARE FREE!!


Been very busy on the organising side of the car the past couple of months.
I hve sorted out a lot of odds and ends in regards to the turbo set up.
I now have:
GT2554R, manifold and dump.
Intercooler, BOV and piping.
RX8 injectors with new O-rings and filters.
Water and oil fittings for the turbo.
Most nuts, studs and bolts.
Wastegate(s) I now have three.


Still to do:
Clock compressor housing and drill/tap holes for waste-gate bracket.
Source copper flashed exhaust lock nuts, oil feed fitting for the block, locking tab/plate things and turbo gaskets


That's about it really.

What is keeping me up most nights is thinking of how I'm going to route the cold side intercooler piping. There's no room around my throttle body because of the thick rad and coolant reroute hose, and I mean NO ROOM. I'm going to have to get creative, it seems lots of people have this issue so it must be do-able.

The other thing I'm trying to sort out is a good shop to make me a 3" exhaust from the dump to my RSR muffler, any suggestions in the SE suburbs of Melbourne?

But in less boring news I took some pics with a decent camera:
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Taking pictures is hard, I'm not the most visually creative individual.

AND WE'RE UP TO DATE!

Again sorry for the dump, it's a lot of pictures in a very small amount of posts.

I have some exciting things happening soon so stay tuned!
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby Lokiel » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:02 pm

smy0003 wrote:QUESTION TIME!

I'm trying to route the serial cables from my LC-1 through the firewall, and have tried these three plugs:

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The red plug: Behind here is black plastic and I can't seem to get my coat-hanger guide through.

The blue plug: Is too small for the serial ends.

The green plug:
Seems the most promising. I can get the coat hanger though but cant find it on the other side.

So, which is the preferred plug for feeding things though to the ECU? One of these? Or another which I've missed completely ( I wouldn't put it past me).

Also, where do people route the MAP line through? All the MT.net info is weird, because all their cars are backwards. If only Britain fought a bit harder in the War of Independance, then this info would be much easier to come by.

The Wideband sensor should connect to a bung just in front of the cat - are you planning to install the wideband sensor in place of the OEM narrowband sensor?
If so, it'll fry eventually when you install the turbo, that's why it's typically much further down the downpipe, not right next to the turbo.

I mounted my Innovate controller to the PPF with zip ties, plugged the sensor into a bung just before the cat (N/A cars wont have bung - turbocharged cars with wideband sensors do - or aftermarket MX5 turbo downpipes). The wiring is then run up into the cabin through the shifter gap (ie under the front of the shifter boot).


For the MAP hose, look under the large black brake master cylinder housing on the driver-side firewall, there's a rubber grommet under that and you can fit the hose and a few wires through that (I think there may already be some wiring going through it already). That's handy because you can put the hose through the firewall, add a T-barb that feeds a boost gauge and the Adaptronic ECU (it's easy to run a hose behind the centre console to the ECU).

FYI: I used that blue-arrow plug to route my Oil Pressure/Temperature and front-mounted Water temperature sensors into the cabin and it was a major B**CH to get the wires through - you need to get a decent-sized clean hole through a LOT of sound deadening material. The rubber grommet on the driver's side doesn't have all that sound-deadening crap in the way.

Do some searches here on SE garage threads for "wideband" or "Innovate" (eg. mine or Emily's), there's plenty of photos which make the above comments easier to comprehend since pictures are worth a 1000 words and everyone loves pictures.
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:09 pm

Thanks Lokiel, yes I'm running the Innovate in place of the stock sensor.
I was thinking about how to get the whole thing working once the turbo is on, Innovate says 24' from turbo from memory, the cable is very short so the PPF mount is interesting. Are you having any issues with it being open to the elements?
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby Lokiel » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:13 pm

smy0003 wrote:Thanks Lokiel, yes I'm running the Innovate in place of the stock sensor.
I was thinking about how to get the whole thing working once the turbo is on, Innovate says 24' from turbo from memory, the cable is very short so the PPF mount is interesting. Are you having any issues with it being open to the elements?


It's designed to be tough/weatherproof and I believe most people mount it to the PPF - if you look at my thread you'll see that it's reasonably well protected.
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby smy0003 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:50 pm

I've read bits and pieces of your thread on a few occasion, really impressive stuff. I think my favourite detail is the boost gauge in the cluster, such a well executed, good idea.

Found the pics of the Innovate, did you drill a hole in the 'base' portion of the shift boot to feed the wires through? The more I think of this option the more it makes sense to me, on MT.net I see a lot of people just shoving them behind the console.
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby Lokiel » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:14 pm

No, the wires to the ECU just go underneath the shift boot at the front. I thought I had a picture of this in my thread but I don't.

As for the boost gauge, I refer to it as "The '95MSM Boost Gauge Mod".
'95MSM is Mark Brant, one of the first guys to put an MSM engine into an NA and the guy who did this first.
Page 12 of Keith Tanner's "How to Build a High-Performance Mazda Miata MX-5" shows his car.
The best source of information for the boost gauge mod is http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index ... 678.0.html
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Re: Gregory the NA8 II: Project Apache Thunder-Fist

Postby Nevyn72 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:34 am

smy0003 wrote:Thanks Lokiel, yes I'm running the Innovate in place of the stock sensor.
I was thinking about how to get the whole thing working once the turbo is on, Innovate says 24' from turbo from memory, the cable is very short so the PPF mount is interesting. Are you having any issues with it being open to the elements?

I had some concerns over this myself so the controller module is actually inside the cabin in my car, stashed underneath the centre console.
There's plenty of wire from the actual wideband sensor and I used the same technique of just feeding it through the shifter opening and using the shifter boot laid over the top to seal.

I also had a bung welded into my aftermarket exhaust (bung supplied with the LC2 kit) further down the pipe, near the cat, and left the factory narrowband sensor in place as I'm still using the factory ECU. The wideband just feeds a guage for the moment for monitoring purposes.
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