Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby Okibi » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:38 pm

Motormouse wrote:... Whilst you joined the Breakfast Club run, did you in fact advise the run leader that you were a red "P" plater? You should have, and I believe you did not.....


This is ridiculous, a red P plate should be all the indication a red P plater should have to give other motorists on a public road. :roll:

My feelings on the antiquated and dangerous notion of "convoy rules" has been discussed with state presidents and here many times.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby Old Dude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:55 pm

+1 what Dave said
I have been on a few runs, not club organised, and some have been great with spirited driving and very enjoyable. One on the other hand was bordering on lose your licence stuff, with people driving 60km country roads at 100kph at night and losing it on tight bends and having to reverse back out of the greenery to get back on the road.
Come to think of it that was probably the last run I did, Anyway Brendan better to be late and at the back of the pack, than not make it back at all.
you can still have fun with out putting yourself or the public in danger.

And just for the record being a "P" plater or not has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby brendanstacey » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:02 pm

Honestly any normal person can see that I havnt been a prick on these forums or my discussions here and some of the responses from senior members of the MX5 club of NSW that I have recieved are downright disgusting!

I would like to state that upon reflection, the average 30/40km/hr average over the limit was only done on straights, so traffic and corners would have made the entire average speed probaly around or abit faster than the limit. But just read this post from dweezle and you get my point.

Sounds like this has been happening for a while.

This is from the thread that Okibi started and linked above

Dweezle wrote:Mt Brother and i recently went on a multi day run with the NSW club through the Snowy Mountains.

The convoy behaviour was atrocious.
Especially with 12 or more cars.

Regrouping over blind crests in 100Kmph zones.
Pulling up next to each other sometimes 3 cars astride to chat.
Continuous 130Kmph + for hours at an end.
Aggressivly making cars pull over so they could pass.
At one point almost every car tried its best to muscle past a truck towing a boat on a really windy mountain road.
On blind corners, blind crests, sometimes 2 MX5's at once.
At one point there was almost a 120Kmph head on avoided only because the oncoming car, (Whole Family), went off road into the dirt with enormous Gumtrees growing metres away.
Once we regrouped i voiced my dissaproval of this behaviour and how embarassed i was. The returning choir was "HE SHOULD HAVE PULLED OVER SO WE COULD ALL PASS".
This was it for me. I tried to get out of the next nights Hotel but i would have lost my money so i stayed there and then left the group the next day to continue on our own.

This was mostly made up of drivers 40 and over who i would have thought would know better.
My younger brother who is on his Green P's just couldnt believe the reckless attitude of these drivers.

It seems none of them have heard of a racetrack, and not only disregard there own lives but that of the public also.

Being an official club activity I would love to know what would happen if an accident occured and Cams found out as its there insurance we where on.
It seems the convoy behaviour makes most feel as though they have more right on the road then other users and its only luck that stopped a major accident quite a few times on this trip.

I have been on other club cruises and this has not been the case.
It is still almost impossible to not interupt other traffic with more than say 5 cars. How badly is, i believe the issue that needs to be addressed in the future.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby Okibi » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:11 pm

brendanstacey wrote:Honestly any normal person can see that I havnt been a prick on these forums or my discussions here...


I appreciate any P Plater who takes road safety seriously and who doesn't submit to peer pressure and drive beyond their limits.
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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby Hjt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:16 pm

Brendan please don't take words on this thread as representing the club. Unless you have received private messages that we are all unaware of.

The people who represent the club as senior members are silent, except Gurans comment.

As for the perception of the runs, I do agree in your comments and hence have not attended the last four runs because I cannot afford to be without my licence.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby psquire45 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 pm

Brendan good job mate you seem like an intelligent well spoken sensible young bloke.

You seem to have made the right choices so far so keep it up. Whether its other cars on a club run or a mate in your car never be pressured into driving a car in a manner that makes you feel uncomfortable or in a way you feel exceeds your level of ability or the conditions your driving in.

All id say about situations like this is to either drop to the back or just pack in the run entirely and just enjoy your own drive. Theres no prize for keeping up with people if they want to be a bit silly out on the roads

If more young drivers had your level of intelligence the roads would be a lot safer place. :beer:
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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby brendanstacey » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Hjt wrote:Brendan please don't take words on this thread as representing the club. Unless you have received private messages that we are all unaware of.

The people who represent the club as senior members are silent, except Gurans comment.

As for the perception of the runs, I do agree in your comments and hence have not attended the last four runs because I cannot afford to be without my licence.


There are at least some here who have posted who are actively involved in/for the club an have had official positions at events, not sure about comittee members though.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby doctor_bob » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:36 pm

brendanstacey wrote:So I had to drive like a maniac just to keep up in the pack with average speeds similar to that of a track day at Wakefield.

Okibi wrote:I appreciate any P Plater who takes road safety seriously and who doesn't submit to peer pressure and drive beyond their limits.


It's safe to say that either a) we never broke the speed limit or b) he broke the speed limit due to peer pressure.

Quote doctor_bob
"As others have said, you might have had a few people willing to cruise along with you at a leisurely pace if anyone had realised how much of a problem you had with the speeds being travelled. I agree with Luke and Regie's comments also, which probably has a bearing on what you experienced. Personally never went more than 20 over at any point (and only brief squirts) and exactly on or under the limit whenever passing through towns"

There's 3 of you now, all admitting to speeding


Technically I think you'll find that isn't an admission of anything other than going "exactly on or under the limit whenever passing through towns".

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby Hjt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:38 pm

Lots of these posts are bullshit. Plain and simple

On every club run I have attended I have witnessed speeding. The amount changes.

Truth be told, all clubs would have this issue to deal with, as its a common problem.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby psquire45 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:41 pm

Quote doctor_bob
Quote doctor_bob
. Personally never went more than 20 over at any point (and only brief squirts)


Technically I think you'll find that isn't an admission of anything other than going "exactly on or under the limit whenever passing through towns".



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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby YanMa YatTai » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:58 pm

Wow. I was on the run. And I agree 100% with Brendan.

I am a new owner and have been thinking of joining the club. I am beginning to question this. Not only is the driving on the day called in to question, but some of the comments and attitude is disconcerting. I had one driver throw a jibe my way and criticised me for being too slow! I was not interested in a pissing contest on who can drive quicker so chose to ignore him. He may be quicker than me, but its not really something I was interested in finding out on a public road.

I cannot say with accuracy whether speeding was involved, but it was difficult to tell from the back of the pack! Let's just say we were quite a distance behind the pack leaders at times. There was a section (2nd section according to Brendan's split) where I drove behind Brendan in the middle of the convoy. There was miles between Brendan (leading the 2nd pack) and the 1st lot. And this was on a very narrow and bumpy stretch of unmarked road. To pass oncoming traffic, I had to be near or on the road shoulder. I shudder at the thought of the very possible occurrence of an oncoming car colliding mid-blind corner with someone going 10/10ths on this road.

I had attended a Cruisers run earlier and they had expressed their concern for some driving on Breakfast runs. At the time, I thought they had exaggerated, but it now seems clear enough that there are some questionable choices being made on public roads.

Brendan is light years ahead in maturity than many of these people. His conduct here and on the road is nothing short of commendable. You, young man, are a true gentleman. To show the sensibility and guts you have - keep it up.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby wozzah1975 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:56 pm

doctor_bob wrote:
brendanstacey wrote:So I had to drive like a maniac just to keep up in the pack with average speeds similar to that of a track day at Wakefield.

Okibi wrote:I appreciate any P Plater who takes road safety seriously and who doesn't submit to peer pressure and drive beyond their limits.


It's safe to say that either a) we never broke the speed limit or b) he broke the speed limit due to peer pressure.

Quote doctor_bob
"As others have said, you might have had a few people willing to cruise along with you at a leisurely pace if anyone had realised how much of a problem you had with the speeds being travelled. I agree with Luke and Regie's comments also, which probably has a bearing on what you experienced. Personally never went more than 20 over at any point (and only brief squirts) and exactly on or under the limit whenever passing through towns"

There's 3 of you now, all admitting to speeding


Technically I think you'll find that isn't an admission of anything other than going "exactly on or under the limit whenever passing through towns".


So what exactly were you refering to by "personally never went more than 20 over at any point (and only brief squirts)" on the rest of the trip?

Possibly IQ level? brain cell count? the amount of other people you put at risk? How many phone calls you're estimating your club president was going to get tonight?

You sir are a fool.....................

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby doctor_bob » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:04 pm

It's called choosing your words carefully. I guess you don't have to worry about that all the way up there on your high horse :lol:

Funnily enough I'm just looking to discuss this like adults without all the hyperbole and false accusations of criminally unsafe speeds. Perhaps you might like to read everything I've said without the bias goggles...

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby NitroDann » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:10 pm

I find it hilarious how upset the old guys get when the tables are turned and its them being caught out driving like fools.

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Re: Club Runs and Excessive Speeding

Postby wozzah1975 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:12 pm

Hjt wrote:Brendan please don't take words on this thread as representing the club. Unless you have received private messages that we are all unaware of.

The people who represent the club as senior members are silent, except Gurans comment.

As for the perception of the runs, I do agree in your comments and hence have not attended the last four runs because I cannot afford to be without my licence.


HJT, I would like to think this is the case. It's seems probably (and usually is) a minority group who take it upon themselves to make the rules and voice here and make the club look bad, and I can assure you it looks very bad.

I think a few members like yourself, the silent ones and Guran should take this on board and use this as an example if it is indeed your club that this is refering to. One of the clubs I am a member of refused renewal of memberships of a group involved in such behavior during a club and CH plate event 2 years ago when a car was written off and people injured, a result of this exact behavior.

If your club is genuinely concerned about it something will be done, and at very minimum at least a set of club guidelines should be introduced to cover your own bums.

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