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[slimx]

Koni is an expensive brand nxt to them..

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[slimx]

U needa crack to the head

I want recommendations ..
COILOVERS for NB 2.5
UP TO $900 not a cent more.

Recommendation: Paint your Showas yellow (or whatever colour you prefer) then save up some money for some real suspension.

If your not gonna reply with a real answer piss off.


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Thank you for your thoughtfully constructed and entirely rational feedback. Enjoy your shitty cheap suspension.

Sent from my hands on a keyboard.

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[kelvinator]

Koni is an expensive brand nxt to them..

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But his set up is not coilovers.
I am interested in this thread too but have come to the conclusion that you get what you pay for so I'll be saving for Ohlin's.

Also to the original poster, I think that the original post with a request for advice could have been a little more polite.
Probably out of line being new here but having been on many forums over many years, courtesy and respect on this faceless medium goes a long way to getting super helpful advice.

[Charlie Brown]

Koni is an expensive brand nxt to them..

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But his set up is not coilovers.
I am interested in this thread too but have come to the conclusion that you get what you pay for so I'll be saving for Ohlin's.

Also to the original poster, I think that the original post with a request for advice could have been a little more polite.
Probably out of line being new here but having been on many forums over many years, courtesy and respect on this faceless medium goes a long way to getting super helpful advice.

Tick Matty would have more MX5 NA knowledge than 95% of the people on this board. His advice was spot on.
As you have pointed out, you only get what you pay for.
There isn't a coil over on the market for $900, unless it's second hand, thats worth putting on a car.
If you want the best for $900 then the answer is Bilstein. Then select a spring to give you the ride height you want, maybe use what you have. If your budget stretches a bit you get some Fat Cat bumpstops.

[Matty]

If your not gonna reply with a real answer piss off.

OK, a real answer (in multi-part question form):

1) why do you NEED coilovers?
(using the term coilovers defined as a prepackaged coil-and-shock assembly, as opposed to the existing OEM suspension which technically classifies as coilover (coil-over-spring) suspension)

2) No seriously, why? If this goal is one or more of the following:
a) I want to lower the car
b) I want suspension that improves ride
c) I want suspension that improves handling, either on the track or on the street.

then all these criteria can also typically be met by purchasing appropriate quality shocks and springs separately. The only justification for a "coilover" would be if you can get a similar quality product for less money, but this is unlikely.

If your answer includes:

p) I want to be able to alter the ride height in less than 2 hours, because I have some reason to need this.
q) I want to be able to corner-weight the car, because I am at a level of competitiveness in motorsport where I know I will benefit from this
r) I want to have access to a range of springs of different rates so I can adjust my setup regularly, or because I don't trust the spring rates on the market that have been optimised for the last 20 years.
s) I want something that impresses my mechanic when he has the car on a hoist
t) I want the cool stickers that come in the box to impress my mates

...then cheap coilovers might suit you.

If your answer includes:

w) I am competitive enough to require adjustment to corner weights, rake, bump and/or rebound settings, and I know how to optimise all these settings

...then you will probably be aware that cheap coilovers with poor/unknown valving aren't likely to cut it.

3) Do you have access to data like shock damping curves, and do you know how to interpret these graphs?

4) Do you have reliability data for the products of interest? (bare minimum would be knowing the warranty period)

Had I this choice to face, I would map out my criteria and goals very carefully first, THEN if there is no obvious product to suit my needs I would ask if there is anything on the market.
Criteria:
ride height desired? (streetable/practical?)
spring rate/bounce frequency (what compromise is my arse willing to take on a daily basis?)
street only/track only/mixed? Do I need to make adjustments, and if so which ones?
What tyres/wheels am I using?
Am I prepared to rebuild shocks if and when they fail or don't meet my goals? Can they be rebuilt? Is there a local agent able/willing to do this?
What lifetime do I expect?
What terrain do I drive? smooth roads? potholes? track? gravel? wet/dry?
What is my driving ability? (be honest. Imagine hitting a pothole mid corner on a blind bend with no runoff, and a motorbike is leaned over my lane coming the other way. Can I control a twitchy car on the limit? yes I know that's a worst case scenario, but whether you drive at 9 or 10 10ths makes a big difference to how it will behave, and how much forgiveness you want in a setup)
What level/class of competition do I run in? Will this affect my classification?
What effect will this have on my insurance?

I hope that gives you some food for thought.

On that sort of budget, if it was up to me, I would be looking at FM springs and some used Bilsteins off a 10AE or SE (with a bit more money I'd rebuild the shocks and customise the valving to suit). And some shorter bump stops.
Yes, I'd miss out on the ability to adjust damping, corner weights or ride height, but for those spring rates the corner weights should be pretty good to start with, and the ride height is just legal, so pretty much perfect for a streeter.
(Oddly enough I was just about to do exactly that on my NB8A a few years ago, but never got the chance to install)

[marty085]

Great post Matty, it answered some of my own questions. Thanks.

I got my NA8 a few months ago, and Stu at Spinning Wheels (wheel alignment) said my car has been lowered to what he considers "nearly perfect height", but he doesn't know how it was done, whether they cut the original springs or reset them by heating, but he said there's only an inch or so before it hits the bumpstops. So, me being a bit of a noob re: lowering, was considering coilovers, and cheap ones.. until I read your post. I don't need to adjust height.

So.. do I have 3 options:

1. Leave it as is.
2. Find stock NA8 springs and install (assuming shocks and bumpstops are stock)
3. Install shorter bumpstops

What is the best option?

I might need to have somebody in the know look at my car sometime.

[NitroDann]

Honestly guys, we all know slimx just wants the "Full F'N hectik coilovuz BRAH!!!"

So.... answer it using this knowledge.

Dann

[Steampunk]

Just to stir the pot a bit more, the term "coilover" refers to dampers surrounded by springs, so every damper/spring combo on our cars are technically coilovers.
There ARE height-adjustable coilovers available for under $900AUD. I stated it before, and only stated it as it meets the pricing criteria.

slim, I can see what you have planned for you car, and where your priorities lay (ie. BeeR limiter, etc), and with that in mind, you can always buy something like this:
Eibach Ground Control

There are of course much cheaper kits. Function vs form etcetera.

[NitroDann]

Red I ALMOST said the same thing about coilover definition. I swear

But yeah, thats the sort of answer that will help OP.

he just wants shiny stuff that comes with mad tite yo jdm VTAK stikaz. Im sure matty knows this as well.

Dann

[Matty]

Just to stir the pot a bit more, the term "coilover" refers to dampers surrounded by springs, so every damper/spring combo on our cars are technically coilovers.

Line 3 of my last post...

[slimx]

Just to stir the pot a bit more, the term "coilover" refers to dampers surrounded by springs, so every damper/spring combo on our cars are technically coilovers.
There ARE height-adjustable coilovers available for under $900AUD. I stated it before, and only stated it as it meets the pricing criteria.

slim, I can see what you have planned for you car, and where your priorities lay (ie. BeeR limiter, etc), and with that in mind, you can always buy something like this:
Eibach Ground Control

There are of course much cheaper kits. Function vs form etcetera.

Thank you

NitroDann im not "leb" piss off..
I dont care about performance/handling i care about looks and being cool lol.

I want it lower, Buying springs hear and not being happy.. doesnt do any good..
Getting "adjustable" coilovers and adjusting the height to EXACTLY what you want is better
another point im gonna make is .. i plan to change rims here and there.. adjust the height differently.

[sailaholic]

I was told by someone in the industry that our stock suspension is referred to coil on shock to differentiate from coil over shock.

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[Matty]

I dont care about performance/handling i care about looks and being cool lol.

In that case, Ground Control kit on stock shocks.

[NitroDann]

Not caring about performance would be what I would call.... 'leb'.

Dann

[slimx]

wow you really.. are a dumb can't.

got a gf? i bet she doesnt care about performance.. she must be leb lol

ill probably just go get some 2nd hand good shocks and chuck ground control springs in it then.
thx everyone .. but nitro dann ..