Why the long wait for new wheels?

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Mr nanotech » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:54 am

Woah this thread has gone off more than I anticipated.

In answer to what specs I wanted. I wanted a set of Either a-type 14x7 +3 Watanabe's or R-Type 15x8 +0.
And for the record I do not want 'jdm' stuff. I'm sorry but I happen to like a certain style of rims and I'd rather buy the authentic models rather than copies like rota rb's which look nothing like wat's or sportmax 513 which again, do not look anything like what I'm after.
Sure I could get Konig Rewinds but sadly they don't offer their 15x7 +0 size in 4x100pcd so it's just not possible.
And I'm pretty sure I said BBS somewhere, that's not even Japanese LOL. So don't put me into some 'jdm purest' group.

But I can understand now why the wait can be so long. It makes sense that if they're all custom order and made on demand it wouldn't be cost effective doing one set at a time. But from a business point of view, no wonder all the big name rim companies are suffering. They're killing themselves rather than the knock offs destroying sales. Time is a huge factor in 'emotional purchases' and I'm sure long waits will deter a LOT of potential buyers, same with holding off production until a quota of orders is met.
Though I do agree that buying brand new does give you a huge advantage with the ability to custom order to a persons own specifications. Plus the the companies that don't offer this service have a large crossection of sizes that will almost always cater to your needs. Take say, Axis for example. A cast wheel company that prides themselves on cheap imitations of big names. Well when you look at the sizing there is only usually one or two different offset options which generally will require guard mods or not fill out the arches enough.
This all comes down to wants and needs and I'm not going to open the can of words about fake vs real because that's done to death.
So I'd rather that dead horse not be flogged again in this thread.

Thanks for the responses guys! You've been really helpful. Especially noting that if there is something you really want, no amount of waiting or cost should be a deterrent.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby sailaholic » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:49 am

Hi nano, you will find the 8" plus 0 won't come close to fitting with out flairs. They only just fit on an ae 86 which ran a "more negative" offset stock.

I can forward you my emails from ottomoto, but they weren't particularly helpful on working out special sizes.

Check out my garage thread to see the rims im running. I've got rolled guards and 2" camber. They don't touch the car, but if it was lower the would I think as the rears are just part the guard s.

14 s are not uncommon on yahoo japan....import monster has a search function that translates everything.

But if you've got the cash, do it! Just make sure you buy some lock nuts, they can get targeted.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby project.r.racing » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:57 am

plohl wrote:http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-modifications/Light-vehicle-modifications.aspx

Which pdf?
You mean this one?

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The above is the one I am talking about - it cant be used as a reference from a point of law.

Correct as it is only a guide, and that is legal gargen for "don't use this in court."

But if you actually look at the Queensland legislation (which the guide says to go to for further clarification for wheels, which being legislation, can be used in court, it is just the same as the light vehicle modification guide.

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... 090101.pdf

What you are allowed to do for a road car:-
+15 tyre diameter increase.
1.3x tyre width increase.
+26mm wheel track increase.

Wheel width IS NOT mentioned! Both in the guide or the legislation!

Any width is legal as long as it doesn't foul the body or suspension parts under any conditions. (Which is hard to detect as all possible tests are done on flat ground).

Do we need to keep going further?

@nano - sorry for going off topic.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby plohl » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:12 am

Awesome, i just wanted to know where it said it in a legal document.

Its funny that everyone running 205/50R15 tyre has an "illegal" car in qld. Stupid legislation.
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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby project.r.racing » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:57 pm

How is that size illegal?

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Nemo » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:45 pm

sailaholic wrote:Hi nano, you will find the 8" plus 0 won't come close to fitting with out flairs. They only just fit on an ae 86 which ran a "more negative" offset stock


Not true, there are a number of NA's running 15x8 +0 and even 15x9 +0 without flares.

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Re: Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby sailaholic » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:32 pm

Nemo wrote:
Not true, there are a number of NA's running 15x8 +0 and even 15x9 +0 without flares.


With reasonable alignments? Your talking an extra 35 odd mm towards the guards then the 8 inch 6ul at 8 inch and 60mm at 9 inch!

My 7 inch plus 15 fill the guards....

Also otomoto also say the won't fit.

Seeing as some one is talking about spending just under 3 k for rims, I'm going to ask you (respectfully) to prove it.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby NitroDann » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:42 pm

15x9s +0 offset fit easy.
People on Clubroadster do it all the time, you just gotta dump it on its arse and run mad JDM spec Y0 camber.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Jeo » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:54 pm

Really depends how you define 'fits'. The two below claim oem guards with a roll and slight pull.

15x9 +0
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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby plohl » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:11 pm

project.r.racing wrote:How is that size illegal?


my bad. i am wrong :?

I went off max rim width (6" for NA), not max tyre width (185 for NA6, 195 for NA8). we can stop this now.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Nemo » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:52 pm

sailaholic wrote:
Nemo wrote:
Not true, there are a number of NA's running 15x8 +0 and even 15x9 +0 without flares.


With reasonable alignments? Your talking an extra 35 odd mm towards the guards then the 8 inch 6ul at 8 inch and 60mm at 9 inch!

My 7 inch plus 15 fill the guards....

Also otomoto also say the won't fit.

Seeing as some one is talking about spending just under 3 k for rims, I'm going to ask you (respectfully) to prove it.

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I'm running 15x9 +10 (roughly the same as 15x8 +0) with rolled guards and a slight pull and I wouldn't say my alignment is unreasonable.

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I have -2.2 and -2.5 degrees of camber following how a lot of the Spec Miata racers in the US have set up their car. Have dríven on the track a number of times with this alignment and haven't had any major issues yet (granted though I'm not the best driver).

But yes, also comes down to how you define "fit". The look may not be for everyone may, and I'm not here to argue about it's functionality etc either. Just stating flares aren't "required".

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby sailaholic » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:04 am

I would have defined fit as fitting the full width of the tire under the guard. Ie legal.

BUT not everyone would, so I stand corrected. :-)

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Nemo » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:09 am

sailaholic wrote:I would have defined fit as fitting the full width of the tire under the guard. Ie legal.

BUT not everyone would, so I stand corrected. :-)

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Then yes will have to agree with you. No chance a meaty tyre (like 225/45 etc) on 15x8/9 +0 will fit fully under the guards with no flares.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby NitroDann » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:15 am

They do not fit. You are running stupidly stretched tyres. This is not right.

Over 2 degrees of camber and tyres 3 inches too narrow for the rims and rolled and stretched 1 inch per side guards and plenty of scrubbing even with stiff as coilovers is hardly what anyone can call 'fits fine'.

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Re: Why the long wait for new wheels?

Postby Jeo » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:50 am

Sorry for going further off topic, but what size tyres are you running Nemo?


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