GoPro Hero roll bar mount - Cams approved?

Amx5 · Postby **Amx5** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:17 pm

At wakefield on Sunday, on my second run my plastic roll bar mount was denied because it shouldn't approved by CAMS. That's fair enough, I spoke to the guy afterwards and he said I should get a metal roll bar mount as they will be approved. I'm just having trouble finding one.. I don't think they even make one. Any suggestions?

Dweezle · Postby **Dweezle** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:13 pm

I saw them using gropro mounts on the v8s on the weekend.

So can not see why Cams would have an issue?

We have used the gopro mount at quite a few Cams events with no issue.

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Hjt · Postby **Hjt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:25 pm

What an absolute joke, on Sunday they also cracked down on suction cap mounts etc.

:roll:

deviant · Postby **deviant** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:28 pm

Camzilla roll bar mount is your friend. I use one, does exactly what it needs to and rock solid.

guss · Postby **guss** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Amx5 wrote:At wakefield on Sunday, on my second run my plastic roll bar mount was denied because it shouldn't approved by CAMS. That's fair enough, I spoke to the guy afterwards and he said I should get a metal roll bar mount as they will be approved. I'm just having trouble finding one.. I don't think they even make one. Any suggestions?

Got mine from Camzilla:

http://www.camzilla.com.au/products_inf ... t-assembly

Since I also have a GoPro, I ordered one of these as well:

http://www.camzilla.com.au/products_inf ... od-adapter

Guran · Postby **Guran** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:53 pm

Guys, I know there were a lot of frustrated people on Sunday, regarding the sudden decision to refuse suction-ups or plastic-mounts for cameras & GPS units. Mike is very aware of the concerns raised by drivers and the matter is being dealt with by the Club. Rest assured that the situation will be clarified to all concerned well before the next club trackday.

rossint · Postby **rossint** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:01 pm

I've been asked to strap the camera to the roll bar on a couple of occasions with a couple of cable ties but never been told I can't go out.

david_syd_au · Postby **david_syd_au** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:06 pm

gussteinberger wrote:
Amx5 wrote:At wakefield on Sunday, on my second run my plastic roll bar mount was denied because it shouldn't approved by CAMS. That's fair enough, I spoke to the guy afterwards and he said I should get a metal roll bar mount as they will be approved. I'm just having trouble finding one.. I don't think they even make one. Any suggestions?

Got mine from Camzilla:

http://www.camzilla.com.au/products_inf ... t-assembly

Since I also have a GoPro, I ordered one of these as well:

http://www.camzilla.com.au/products_inf ... od-adapter

That looks like a RAM mount setup, re-badged as Camzilla

http://www.ram-mount.com.au/

On Sunday I was using RAM mounts for a GoPro and a laptiming unit.
These RAM mounts have aluminium balls, which are rubber coated, and aluminium arms.
Both my mount setups were initially rejected, and then passed on appeal, after I had added a few cable-tie loops to each as a secondary restraint.

So I suggest NOT investing in this sort of gear until there is further guidance from the club.

Sailor · Postby **Sailor** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Spent a good hour searching the CAMS website to try and find the "technical document" referred to in the regulations.
I couldn't find it!!

Have sent an email to CAMS to try and source the document and will ring them tomorrow.

Never yet been told that an Etag had to be removed!!

I'll post either the link or document when I see it.

Other than this hiccup the day was a blast!!
Many thanks to all the officials.

deviant · Postby **deviant** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:24 pm

Assuming we are talking about a speed event here the general regs that all cars must comply with just states:

14. have any camera/video recorder attached to the automobile as prescribed in the relevant Technical Document
contained on the CAMS Online Manual of Motor Sport – www.camsmanual.com.au

If you dig in to the specific race or rally / road sections you find something with some actual guidelines...Section 6.18: http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/04_ral ... 2012-2.pdf

Sailor · Postby **Sailor** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:36 pm

Yeah found that but it appears to be referring to tarmac rallies

deviant · Postby **deviant** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:44 pm

Yeah, thats all I could find really.

Unless CAMS can tell you the answer I could not see anything in any other section that would apply to speed events.

Suspense · Postby **Suspense** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:21 pm

This was a bit frustrating on Sunday as I'd bought a RAM mount just for this track day and only got one run out of it!

I chose the RAM mount because of their reputation as being very solid. I tested the suction grip on the glass coffee table in my living room and I was able to lift the whole thing (20kg) without the suction giving at all! I understand that other suction grips might not be as secure and that means it's hard for scrutineers to police that sort of thing. It'd be great to have some clarification before the next club day.

Was there a particular incident on Sunday that gave reason for the sudden change after the first few runs?

Hjt · Postby **Hjt** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:51 pm

Was there a particular incident on Sunday that gave reason for the sudden change after the first few runs?

Spreading the christmas cheer, I think it's more a one off people. Let's give them a chance to sort it by the end of Jan.

I understand the logic if applicable but like all rules, regulations and law, it should be apply reasonably.

Charlie Brown · Postby **Charlie Brown** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:10 am

I was doing some investigation last week because I am thinking of getting a Go Pro to use at Supersprints so I contacted the organiser about mounting it as the NC doesn't have a roll bar per se to attach it too and got the following reply:

The regs are a little antiquated although up to date. Have a look at the following web addresses.

http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen ... 2012-1.pdf

The requirement used to be for cameras over 100g and the mount in tech specs is obviously for that. See following website

http://www.camsmanual.com.au/techdocs/T-401[1].pdf

With small POV cameras, all you have to do is get something solid. There are plenty of commercial ones on the market.

Hope I haven't steered you wrong

The Go Pro weighs in at 93 grams so I went back to him about using a suction mount and cable tie to the rear view mirror as a secondary restraint and got this reply:

I think that they frown on anything that is attached to the windscreen by a suction cup. They were making competitors remove items attached to the windscreen by suction cups a couple of years ago. I can't remember what the items were but they were pretty light. I think that they were only E-Tags or something like that.

However, from what you have said, if the suction mount fails (and they do regularly as I have had my mobile phone and GPS on the floor a few times), the cable tie will stop it from hitting you in the face. So far as I am concerned, the only damage that can be caused would be to the camera, the windscreen or the mirror if it started flapping around. However, it's not my call and I would hate to say that it is okay and a scrutineer does not agree.

I have copied the Supersprint Panel in on this reply. One of the panel members may be able to help me out on this.

When I find out an answer I'll post it up.