bad lucky tonight

[tescoking]

Don't get tired, wake up old man, I just contacted them again and this time I asked them to define what do they mean by "visible" and is it allow to use blue colour. So mean while take a rest and I will get back to you.

WTF? visability has nothing to do with colour allowances.

did you email them back to get carification on the 'lighting' being visable issue? or you just guessing the rules now? i'm not say either of us is right. but that be unclear the 'visable lighting' issue. when they say lighting, do the mean the light device? or do the mean the light produced from the light device?

I asked them to define what do they mean "visible" in the article. And just to confirm that is blue colour lighting allow to use.

[NitroDann]

You need to ask if the word light refers to the physical light source or of the light which that source emits.

Expect to be defected and fined regardless of what the law says though.

Thanks,
Dann

[project.r.racing]

Don't get tired, wake up old man, I just contacted them again and this time I asked them to define what do they mean by "visible" and is it allow to use blue colour. So mean while take a rest and I will get back to you.

WTF? visability has nothing to do with colour allowances.

did you email them back to get carification on the 'lighting' being visable issue? or you just guessing the rules now? i'm not say either of us is right. but that be unclear the 'visable lighting' issue. when they say lighting, do the mean the light device? or do the mean the light produced from the light device?

I asked them to define what do they mean "visible" in the article. And just to confirm that is blue colour lighting allow to use.

And their defination of 'visible lighting' was?

[JBT]

Lesson: Save money by not fitting neons and then save even more money by not being fined or defected.

[tescoking]

Don't get tired, wake up old man, I just contacted them again and this time I asked them to define what do they mean by "visible" and is it allow to use blue colour. So mean while take a rest and I will get back to you.

WTF? visability has nothing to do with colour allowances.

did you email them back to get carification on the 'lighting' being visable issue? or you just guessing the rules now? i'm not say either of us is right. but that be unclear the 'visable lighting' issue. when they say lighting, do the mean the light device? or do the mean the light produced from the light device?

I asked them to define what do they mean "visible" in the article. And just to confirm that is blue colour lighting allow to use.

And their defination of 'visible lighting' was?

I am waiting, don't be rush. I am so excited just like you guys.

[taminga16]

You need to ask if the word light refers to the physical light source or of the light which that source emits.

Expect to be defected and fined regardless of what the law says though.

Thanks,
Dann

Dann,
Whilst I haven't read the definitions I feel sure that the reference will be to light and not the appliance otherwise the law would be open to challenge at every quarter.
A little off topic but very relevant.
Some years ago I was involved in a case where a driver had disobeyed a Stop/ Go bat in a construction site, narrowly missing the operator and crashing into a structure of considerable worth. It happened that the architect's were on site and photographing progress, caught it all on film which was then produced as evidence. The images clearly showed the incident and the Stop/ Go bat which because the operator was in the habit of dragging along the ground was not circular. In course with the definition (Red, circular white upper case wording, STOP with a white border). The matter was thrown out and the organisation involved bore all costs.
Read the pre-able!
Greg.

[Okibi]

...Whilst I haven't read the definitions...

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_VS_IB_108.pdf

There's less to read in that pdf than you've typed in this thread. If you read it you'll understand the intention of the law.

I direct your attention to:

Constant coloured neon lamps are sometimes affixed to the underside of vehicles to
enhance their aesthetic character. Subdued diffused coloured light is reflected off the road
surface.

Generally these under-body lamps will be acceptable providing the lights themselves do not
flash, and are not visible to other motorists, either when the vehicle is dríven or stationary.

Those 2 sentences say it all. Nuff said?

[M1474]

/thread

[hks_kansei]

ADR13:
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03991

ADR45:
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L01433


Not certain if under-car lights are specifically mentioned, or if they come under something else (side marker lights perhaps?)

Whatever they are, here's the legislation that the WA rule points to.
(there may be other relevant ADRs, but I;m not spending my night reading them all to check)

[taminga16]

...Whilst I haven't read the definitions...

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_VS_IB_108.pdf

There's less to read in that pdf than you've typed in this thread. If you read it you'll understand the intention of the law.

I direct your attention to:

Constant coloured neon lamps are sometimes affixed to the underside of vehicles to
enhance their aesthetic character. Subdued diffused coloured light is reflected off the road
surface.

Generally these under-body lamps will be acceptable providing the lights themselves do not
flash, and are not visible to other motorists, either when the vehicle is dríven or stationary.

Those 2 sentences say it all. Nuff said?[/quote
My interpretation of this is that if they are not switched on is does not matter.
Greg.

[NitroDann]

It says 'the lights themselves'.

Not, 'the light itself'.

/thread.

[StuwieP]

/reopen thread (sorry Dann)

the 'light-emitting devices' (shall we call a spade a chamfered rectangular excavation tool?) have been referred to as 'lamps' I suspect for the very purpose of avoiding the confusion between the lights and the light.

and are not visible to other motorists

I love that it acknowledges their use for 'aesthetic purposes' and then proceeds to say 'its OK as long as nobody can see them whether the car is driving or stationary'

[Rasputin]

They are implying that they can be used to enhance aesthetic character at closed off car shows, or in side your garage with the doors closed, or in your living room, or in the pool in your backyard.

You get it.

They are farking illegal on the road, and in carparks where other moving vehicles may be in view, or any public place for that matter.

Not sure why you guys are still arguing about this. Just can't fathom why this is still a debate.

Lol.


Dan.

[Okibi]

..They are farking illegal on the road...

..Generally these under-body lamps will be acceptable..

This rule is for real cars that drive on real roads with real neon lighting.

[droo]

Yes boohoo, do something else with the under car lights. With them on driving on the road at night is one thing, we seem to have very polarised opinions of that. Maybe its out of respect for Paul Walker now.. who knows?...

There are *heaps* of ways to be unique with our cars on the inside and on the outside, even after so many years and so many aftermarket accessories (which are now so proliferated, they're nearly common place with our cars) there are heaps of new options available that require just an amount work to do. You seem like a type of person who's happy to install stuff, and handy with tools so you'd be ideal to modify or build your own gear. Its also a great headspace to live in.

Might need to modify some body bits to accommodate them, so learn to do that too. Heaps of info online. In the past 3 years what i've learnt from google/youtube.

Some ideas i'm pulling out my arse right now:
Hook the neons up to the central locking/alarm indicator output of your car, with rectifiers between the normal indicator globes and the neons, so they only turn on (flash) momentarily when you're locking/unlocking. The car isn't moving, and it's unlikely you're in the car at that point.

Relay them into the horn so they turn on when you toot.

Hook them up to the door switches, alarm and ignition off, so they turn on when you've stopped the car, AND open the doors, they turn on for 20 seconds or so, then off when you activate the alarm. (look up switching electronics on google/howto on youtube)
That would be research for you.

this is just three thought up in three minutes writing this..