WARNING - Fake Belts (not just Takata)

[project.r.racing]

Chinese cars are an interesting one.

I remember when Chery came to Australia there was a HUGE amount of people (inlcuding this forum) shitcanning them. And rightfully so, they're hideous little rotboxes.

But, I can certainly understand why people bought them.

The J1 for example is about $8,000

Which is damn cheap for a NEW car, the alternative is a secondhand car, a 2009 Mazda2 with 100,000km on the clock is still $9,000-$10,000 (quick carsales look)

While the Mazda is a hell of a lot better made, I can 100% understand why some people would pick the Chery. Used cars come with risk, there's no warranty, risk of it being abused, etc.

With a new car, buy it, drive it, when something breaks let the dealer handle it.

For people who don't really care about cars, who just want transport with the least hassle, I understand their reasons.

Hell, I'd buy a Chery if I just wanted a runabout car that can get dented and sh*t.

But you cannot. Since the Victorian govt has outlawed their sales due to Cherry not passing minimum ADR crash test standards.

Cherry is a prefect example of a sh*t Chinese product.

[hks_kansei]

But you cannot. Since the Victorian govt has outlawed their sales due to Cherry not passing minimum ADR crash test standards.

Cherry is a prefect example of a sh*t Chinese product.

True, but wasn't it more to do with it not having stability control rather than not meeting the ADR rules? (it must meet ADR, since they're national, and they sell them in QLD, WA, and wherever else)


I'd still prefer crash a new Chery than my MX5.

[Apu]

Regarding Chinese cars, we had this discussion not so long ago. There was criticism of Chinese cars having only 2 stars, would take forever to get 5 stars, etc etc.

Within a couple of months of that discussion, some of the Chinese carmakers were testing 5 star cars and one of them bought Volvo.

It won't be long.

[deviant]

Didn't take much to get them the 5 stars either. If I remember correctly (or it might have been Great Wall or Geely) they were missing stability control, a few extra airbags and a seatbelt warning light to get them to 4 stars.

I think as quickly as another 5 years and they will be there. It won't be long until the majority of cars or a large bulk of components are made in SE Asia and India.

[M1474]

Awesome thread jack guys.

Safety star ratings are bullshit.

[tescoking]

Never buy seatbelt yourself. Since it need professional install and certificate so I choose to purchase and install from a professional company.

[AntHarmer]

The Chinese Manufacturing debate is an interesting one. I do not wish to weigh in, however for those who are interested I recommend picking up (or downloading) a copy of "Poorly Made in China" by Paul Midler.


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[project.r.racing]

But you cannot. Since the Victorian govt has outlawed their sales due to Cherry not passing minimum ADR crash test standards.

Cherry is a prefect example of a sh*t Chinese product.

True, but wasn't it more to do with it not having stability control rather than not meeting the ADR rules? (it must meet ADR, since they're national, and they sell them in QLD, WA, and wherever else)


I'd still prefer crash a new Chery than my MX5.

Having ESC is a ADR rule.

[Si.G]

Did not realise I would start a massive argument.

I'd call them out. You verified they were fake...don't be bullied otherwise.

We're not talking about lights or some other accessory here, this is a safety item. Name them and give them the bad feedback on eBay.

I have given bad feedback and included the fact that the belts were verified as non-genuine.

The naming and shaming is not a matter of being bullied, it is just what I think is the right thing to do. The feedback is there for people to make up their minds.

The thing that made me suspect ''replica-ish'' belts, was the absence of the usual branding patches on the shoulder straps, so it seemed obvious, but there were a few other things that made me question them, like the cuts to the webbing were not completely straight, however the manufacture quoted...
-- different webbing
-- adjuster design was similar to older belts
-- packaging

Some one takes the prize for the earlier post, sabelt is the brand and the seller now has Takata belts for sale.

I just want to point out that the guys at Sabelt in Italy have been very helpful in the resolution of my dispute with the seller and state that BMS Motorsport is the place to go for genuine sabelt products in Australia.

[wun911]

I have been trying to buy hid kits for my bike. Initially got some cheap ones from china, the ballast died about 2 months later. I opened up the ballast and about 200 grams of sand came out along with some fried silicone... But try to find an Australian made ballast is impossible.

I also got a fake Oakley ski jacket made in china it was 10 aud and I couldn't resist. When some of the stitching came undone inside I found the jacket used newspaper and garbage bags as the insulation.

But my favorite is china's baby infant formula, enriched with heavy metals and chalk...

[Apu]

wun - I'm sure you've heard of the "sewer oil" incidents?

Anyway, on the point of ski jackets, I had a friend buy ski suits for my family a few years ago - they were Spyder and Columbia kit - each of those cost less than renting it for a day, and they worked really well.

You just need to know where to buy it from - there are several grades of knock-off products right through to the genuine item which has fallen off the back of a truck.

[sailaholic]

You just need to know where to buy it from - there are several grades of knock-off products right through to the genuine item which has fallen off the back of a truck.

This is very true. My industry had a lot of manufacturing work done in China and a few conference papers have been done on work quality.

Basically, you can get start of the art gear used or back yard gear, depends on what you pay AND how you write your contract.

You also need to supervise and inspect far more then other countries, but only because the training and culture isn't there.

China will make any product you want at almost any price you want, you just have to accept you get rock bottom quality at rock bottom price and that rock bottom is a lot lower the Australian rock bottom (as is the price).


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[22Silver]

Japan made some of the best guitars in the world at one stage.
China too, in time, will come up with some very high quality products.

However, if they are actually a genuinely good product, chances are they wont claim to be an already existing brand, they'll show their quality and attempt to create their own branding.

[toppertee]

I purchased a Sabelt on line a couple of months ago.
Is there any chance you could post a couple of pics of the fake, just to set my mind at ease.
Cheers

[Mr Morlock]

Wun's story is pretty amusing and it probably underlines the rubbish that comes out of that region. $2 shops- we all use them but there have been a lot of recalls on children's toys and even things like pets toys which come apart. If you want quality HID products you need to look at the quality brands. Still we all buy certain products and often with no choice. A good example- quality clothing- well known brands like Sportscraft, RM Williams , Country Road often source from China but you can bet that its watched very carefully since fading colours and products falling apart on upper end pricing will damage brands.