A wee bit scary

[Odd]

Chinese are prepared to take risks that we aren't

I heard of an exporter who complained that road transport on a product had increased by a factor of 3....
The Chinese manufacturer apologised.....he said the Government had cracked down on road transport.....they could no longer put 15 tonne on a 5 tonne truck

They will cut any corner to make a product cheaper....
They may not be trying to rip you off....often then just have no idea of design or engineering of a product....their only concern is making it cheaper

Not worth the risk....

[greenltd]

And don't forget thr great wall utes with rear wheels falling off when wheel studs break. Questionable quality, may look the same but may not perform the same. Not for me thank you.

[KevGoat]

Wow! Willing to take risks with brakes!

Hope I'm never on the same stretch of road ...

You are brainwashed Kev.

... or just not willing to risk other's lives on saving a few bucks ...

I am involved in assisting a friend in dealing with Chinese manufacturers and there are a great deal of compromises required on their quality of manufacturer and the materials they use and that is even with our specifications and requirements supplied to them.

We don't have the funds it takes to set up our own manufacturing factory in China and train the local employees to suit our processes and quality control, so it's a compromise that is acceptef for cost.

If Brembo had their own, controlled factory in China, as many well known manufacturers do, I'd buy the ir Chinese branded product.

But cheap Chinese knock off copies are just downright dangerous ...

[project.r.racing]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me lovem COWs

The Chinese make good products??? maybe some things, but fark there is no way I'll have a Chinese bag of sh*t in my fleets. WHY, just ask West National about the little heating problem last week. Now to comply with Aus ADRs buses MUST be fitted with "non flammable insulation", Eventually it will burn, but as one of the engineers from a certain bus manufacture in China has told me, "I check the insulation every week, because it is not if they change to a cheaper and non complying product but when."" Scary hey!!! And you know what, if your kids catch a school bus, chances are they will be riding in a Chinese bus because its a $350,000 bus, $30,000 cheaper than an Aussie made product. Trouble is all school buses in Qld and Vic must last for 25 years service, I know of at least 20 buses, some as new as 12 months ordered off the road due to major suspension and steering faults. The manufactures and distributors can't or won't try and fix most of them due to the fact that they are so poorly designed and built that they can't repair them without spending stupid money on re-engineering.
So who eventually pays to replace these "things", the tax payers, because the family run school bus operators go broke and someone has to step up and take over the runs, with finance from you guess it,
state government.

The worst outcome about cheap chinese buses coming to Australia, that quality proven products such as Custom Coaches, Mills Tui and quite a few others are finding that they can't compete because people buy cheap, and we are now losing the best in world manufacturing practices and products.

So yes we all know some people on here will fit this stuff, but for my sake stay away from Lakeside, QR and Nebo please.

Hey MattR, how about we go to Bathurst next Easter, run the 12 hour and probably win it,we won't run my Porker we'll run a Chery, there so good I've read somewhere, that we are sure to piss it in.

Terry

Terry, I hear ya. Just wait until those new Indian trains come into QR. Jeez if there is rolling stock issues now. Imagine the pain and money that soon will be poured into the trains to keep them running.

[bigdog]

Dupain, you are completely incorrect about Simmons wheels. They did not go 'bust'. The wheel making technology developed by Simmons was sold to an overseas company, and the wheel brand and designs were sold in Australia. Their wheels were engineered to meet the ADRs and Australian quality standards, regardless of the vehicle fitment. This meant that a wheel in 5x114 PCD for example had to be strong enough to handle fitment to a loaded Hilux ute or Falcon Wagon. Simmons were sticklers for quality and strength, that's why so many of their wheels are still in use. The cheap Chinese imports made it simply uneconomic to continue to produce wheels in Australia for a low volume market. As for your assertion that brakes are all the same, well I guess you make your choices and live (or not) with the consequences.

They went out of business, they may have sold some intellectual technology overseas but in reality is was not realistic to sell 3 piece wheels for $800-$1000 each when you can get Chinese set for $500.

Even all the high end cycling bikes are now made in Taiwan/China but "designed" in Italy. People are paying $5000 for a Gios frame when you can get an exact generic frame from the same factory for $1000.

Show me a press story of a Chinese wheel or brake failing in Australia.

Simmons SOLD their business, they didn't "go out of business". Making sweeping general statements will not help your argument.

[pezchops]

These Chinese brakes are equal if not better than those Italian products. Pretty sure a Toyota is more reliable than a Ferrari let alone an Alfa.

Since when was Toyota Chinese?

If the Chinese product was better AND cheaper then car manufacturers would use them. Simple as that.

if china and japan got on china would do more manufacturing for them.
china produces cars and car parts for nearly all car producers in the world.
china makes more Buick's than America.also.Volvo, Jeep , KIA..you name it ,and knock offs of lots of exotic cars.
i would say this makes china a very experienced and under rated manufacturing country.
people bag Chinese products but what % of all your material belongings are fully or partially produced there.

having said all this i would not use those brakes unless passed AUST standards.

[NitroDann]

90% of what you own was made in china including many of your japanese car parts, your appliances, building materials for your homes, your clothes and shoes, your entertainment, your yard care equipment, your phone, your laptop, your ipad etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc .

Thats all I have to say about that.

Dann

[MattR]

Yep, Terry Simmons sold the business, unfortunately it took him a while to sell it.

He sold it so he could retire and race Formula Junior cars around Europe amongst other things.

I bought one of the last sets of genwine simmons built, they are now living in Devenport as I didn't need them anymore. I didn't lose money on them either, and one was damaged.

Tbro, only if its the J3 'cause 93 killawasps is all drivers like us need.....

Do you still want me to pick up some of the Blembos whilst I'm over here??????

[greenltd]

One point being missed about China is who controls the manufacturing. Yes many world companies manufacture in China but generally own some part of the operation, thereby can also control the quality. Many knockoff manufacturers have no such affiliation and therefore no such quality. S

[Odd]

If products are made in China....under licence....with proper specifications, testing and quality control. Savings are made and products can achieve high quality
They are learning....just like Japanese did years ago

Knock-off's....different story

Sure they are a lot cheaper, but often.....they are not fit for purpose

The dilemma is....

Has the Chinese manufacturer of the knock off stolen the technology and the name

Or.....just the name

[tbro]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

perfectly said Odd,

[project.r.racing]

This is where the ignorance of Australians is exhibited - automatically putting down "Chinese" technology being inferior.

Dont confuse Chinese technology with Chinese manufacturing.

[taminga16]

"This is where the ignorance of Australians is exhibited - automatically putting down "Chinese" technology being inferior".
Dupain
Funny, That is not how I read Odds post.
Building copies (Knock offs) right down to plagiarising recognised branding and colour coding is not technology, it's theft!
Greg.

[tbro]

[/quote]This is where the ignorance of Australians is exhibited - automatically putting down "Chinese" technology being inferior.[/quote]

Settle down sunshine,this is a forum discussion, not a place to slang off at Aussies.

As Greg put it, they are pinching other ideas and hard work, certainly unwanted and not needed except by the same people who won't buy the real thing,
just a copy and then tell all their mate and sundry about how " fullysick and make baby jesus's eyes water with soooooo much power " you know like all the Honda boys

The Chinese will eventually come good and their pricing will go up through the roof the same way that the Japanese and Koreans have, IF they can get over
their major character flaw (see I can sling sh*t too)of cheap and trying to change specs to make more money, something that non asian manufactures are discovering to their dismay..

Tbro, only if its the J3 'cause 93 killawasps is all drivers like us need.....

Only if its equiped with those Rotas and Brembos, "fullysick, living on da edge bro!!!!!! baby Jesus look out!!!!!'

Terry

[Mr Morlock]

Greg is correct. I worked for a multinational co and there were sites all around the globe- including China. We started manuf about 20 years ago in Shanghai and my boss ran the plant for about 3 years. Some of the cos I worked with also sourced from China with JVs and companies like Bayer and GE were operating there as well. I took a look through some plants and it was a mixed bag but they often had the best equipment i.e. brand new machines and of course what we regard as cheap labour and a lot of assistance from their communist Govt. There is little doubt that they can produce terrific products but only if they are serious about the quality drive. I do not think China is the same as Japan 50 or more years ago because there is a very different mind set. China does not worry too much about putting out dodgy product but Toyota does.

My boss used to laugh and say China would copy anything we made within a few weeks- it was not a flippant remark - thats what they do . A product that we spent 6 months making would be copied in a blink without any R&D testing fine tuning etc. I recall having to send moulding dies to China for parts requirements ( i.e. not OE production) so that they could learn to do what our guys had been doing for years. Nothng wrong with that for a multinational of course as that;s part of business.

It was reported last week "London" taxis are coming to Melb- these things are made by Geely and like the buses I bet it comes with a number of liabilities.

I will not be buying a Chinese car - much of the other products we have no choice on and incidentally I put Chinese sourced food back on the shelf as well.