A wee bit scary

[Red Dragon]

The Chinese do make some good products but they also cut a lot of corners on a lot even for big companies
read the link to Aston Martins experience


http://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-indu ... -2007.html

[project.r.racing]

Still waitin for you to find me a "rollex" that is from china and is as good or of better quality than the original. Just a link to a website page is fine.

[project.r.racing]

Still waitin for you to find me a "rollex" that is from china and is as good or of better quality than the original. Just a link to a website page is fine.

A watch is a watch. People buying fake Rolex are highly unlikely to go scuba diving to 200m as a person who buys a real one. They buy it for the looks and the brand and in that essence it is as good or better than the original. Think about it.

Think about what?
you claim chinese rollexs are as good as swiss rolexs, if not better. so i want one, share a link with me so i can buy one cheaper than a legit on. if it is as good or better quality, i'll have on issues with 200m of pressure.

[Dan]

Chinese copies often look good on the outside but corners have been cut on the inside, I've had to become somewhat of an expert on fakes to buy swiss/german watches second hand since exterior 'tells' are reducing but as soon as you open it up its obvious.

The chinese are capable of making some really good original products (seagull as a watch manufacturer are a good example of selling good products at low prices) but the copies are mostly junk below the surface that haven't been manufactured with anywhere near the precision or quality control required to make me trust using them as brakes!

[project.r.racing]

Still waitin for you to find me a "rollex" that is from china and is as good or of better quality than the original. Just a link to a website page is fine.

A watch is a watch. People buying fake Rolex are highly unlikely to go scuba diving to 200m as a person who buys a real one. They buy it for the looks and the brand and in that essence it is as good or better than the original. Think about it.

Think about what?
you claim chinese rollexs are as good as swiss rolexs, if not better. so i want one, share a link with me so i can buy one cheaper than a legit on. if it is as good or better quality, i'll have on issues with 200m of pressure.

Like Dan concurred, people buy fake watches for fashion and these copies look as good as the original. It's fashion, are you paranoid that someone will grab your wrist when to wear it and say its a fake? With the originals you are paying 95% cost for the brand, technology is the same as a Sieko.

Still waiting.

[meanmx]

Like Dan concurred, people buy fake watches for fashion and these copies look as good as the original. It's fashion, are you paranoid that someone will grab your wrist when to wear it and say its a fake? With the originals you are paying 95% cost for the brand, technology is the same as a Sieko.

I'm going to make an assumption here that you haven't worked in manufacturing before? The Chinese can make some very very good products but they can also make some extreme crap as well. How do you know what you are going to get. Do these fake Brembo's have any metallurgy testing done on the metals that they are made of. Will these metals pass the same stringent testing that Brembo do to all their brake systems that they spend massive dollars developing. It's not just about how they look always it's also what they are made of. So yes a fake handbag may not kill you but fake brakes can. All these other companies being copied also stand behind their products even if they are made in China, who stands behind the fakes. Who suffers if the fakes kill you and another family on the road. Chinese products aren't always bad but you'd want in this case a bit of reassurance that it will do the job if needed. Don't be a fool to think otherwise and stop being naive.

[Dan]

Still waitin for you to find me a "rollex" that is from china and is as good or of better quality than the original. Just a link to a website page is fine.

A watch is a watch. People buying fake Rolex are highly unlikely to go scuba diving to 200m as a person who buys a real one. They buy it for the looks and the brand and in that essence it is as good or better than the original. Think about it.

Think about what?
you claim chinese rollexs are as good as swiss rolexs, if not better. so i want one, share a link with me so i can buy one cheaper than a legit on. if it is as good or better quality, i'll have on issues with 200m of pressure.

Like Dan concurred, people buy fake watches for fashion and these copies look as good as the original. It's fashion, are you paranoid that someone will grab your wrist when to wear it and say its a fake? With the originals you are paying 95% cost for the brand, technology is the same as a Sieko.

I am not agreeing with you, a watch failing isn't going to kill you but brakes could.

If someone is trying to pass off a set of counterfeit Brembo’s as an original this gives you no insight into the Manufacturing/QC process and I can’t think how you would trust them to stop your car.

Edit: just realised I said the same thing as the guy above.

[Dan]

It'll take time for replica brake kits to be accepted Dan. After a few have used them etc. Remember when BBS knock offs where first seen in Australia - same scaremongering etc they'll fall apart when you drive - death .... Now theses knock offs are accepted and plenty on the forum are comfortable with using knock off wheels.

I agree with you to a point and think there is some confirmation bias that goes on in the wheel debate since people don’t really talk about the cracked wheels from the big brands even though they occur (I still think Rota is more likely to fail though even if the failure rate is low).

Rota kind of have a brand though and aren’t passing them off as originals, whereas I have no idea about this no-name brand, nor would I be very certain if they came from the same factory.

Why this is even worse is because some people buying what they think is a genuine product but they get a fake. I would feel even worse if one of them was injured/killed because of it.

Maybe you aren't talking about Rota here though, I'm not up on the replica wheel game.

[Mr Morlock]

There is not a chance that we are going to convince Dupain. Its like the story I told a while ago ( refer "This American Life" about the guy who spent 12 months writing a thesis believing that he could challenge Einsteins theory of relativity. His friend arranged for him to sit and discuss it with a scientist. The scientist remarked that he could have saved the guy 12 months as he found fatal flaws inside of 20 mins. He said that first year students in tertiary i.e. degree maths would have found the flaws and he also likened it to the guy who wants to write a symphony but cannot read music. No amount of evidence was going to change the guys view. But his wife loved him though she remarked he was an obstinate son of a bitch- or words to that effect.

Now some proof that is optional as far as believing is concerned. DW program Drive it ( shown on 31 in Melb). Professional program not like some of the junk. German Golf car in need of brake attention. How much did it cost and what product to use. They took it to a German garage / workshop - highest standard- and checked the brakes and did a braking test. They then went on line and bought OEM brakes at a keen price and they also went to VW and bought known genuine OEM. The experts immediately identified that the cheaper product described as OEM were fakes and no layman would ever know. These things were picked up from fake E numbers - do amateurs even know what an E number is or what it should be?

The Fake OEMs were fitted and tested and the brake force was inferior to the original OEM brakes. The genuine OEM brakes from VW were far superior to either of the others.

Watches- fake Rolex-.Its possible to make and sell Casio watches at under $100 and they are durable and multi function and accurate but they are dríven by a chip not a mechanical movement. If you pay $ 000's for a fake you have every right to feel aggrieved or ripped off. You don't make a Rolex and sell it for $100 either.

[taminga16]

A watch is a watch. People buying fake Rolex are highly unlikely to go scuba diving to 200m as a person who buys a real one. They buy it for the looks and the brand and in that essence it is as good or better than the original. Think about it.
Dupain.
Dupain you are upsetting my imaginary dog again. If you insist on continuing with this topic please be a little more constructive, "They buy it for the looks and the brand and in that essence it is as good or better than the original".
Really what the heck is this?
Oh hang on! It's not about weather the brakes function correctly or not, but about the 'look' and as such I now understand your original point, "Brakes are brakes".
Where do you live? I want to assure myself that neither I nor members of my family and all of my dearest friends never travel anywhere with even the remote possibility of encountering you whilst you are driving in your car.
Greg.
P.S. I have several quality watches including a Swiss made Enicar that was built in 1962, automatic, untouched and still running.

[rjastra2]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/wha ... mbo-brakes

[project.r.racing]

You know thoses Buddy Clubs P1s that many on here put on their 5s (Buddy Club is a JDM tuner), well they are made in China - they where $1600 a set 10 years ago and now $800 and those Blitz ZZ Coilivers (Blitz is a JDM tuner) well they are made in Taiwan, same $2200 10 years ago and now $1100. All made in China and you can go on ...

The funny thing is you all think the Chinese are stupid to risk their lives with knock off brake kits. More like they are smarter consumers.

All the aftermarket brake stuff in Australia like DBA or RDA brake components that you all buy are made in China anyway.

You are still confusing real products with knockoffs. No one here has argued with you that China cannot build a decent product. But they are suggesting some Chinese products due to their illegitimacy may not/cannot be up to same spec as legit products.

Real products.
Buddy clubs made in china for buddyclub to buddyclub specs and sold as buddyclub.
Blitz TT made in taiwan for Blitz TT to Blitz TT specs and sold as Blitz TT.
DBA made in china for DBA to DBA specs and sold as DBA.

Knockoffs.
Brembo made in china for unknown to unknown specs and sold as Brembo.

Do you understand now???

We are all well aware of legit products that are made in China or Taiwan etc. My examples are:- my RDA rotors come from China, my Yellow-Speed-Racing coilovers come from Taiwan, my 10yo unmaked wheel probably came from China since the manufacturer isn't marked. All my Cusco bit and bobs came from Japan, but not relivent in this case.

Again I (and most reading) have nothing against these products cos the actually say Made in China/Taiwan/Japan etc on the box. It's when they say made in Italy/Germany/United Kingdom but they really are made in China, that is what the readers are against.

Alot of Japanese manufacturers use Taiwan as it is cheaper than Japan, but you dont run the risk of getting a dodgy product like you do in China. Japanese dont like accepting failure, so they dont like using Chinese labour where possible.

I'm currently waiting on some products from Japan, that are being manufactured in China, and the Japanese company are currently in a wage nd supply war with the Chinese factory. Lots of warrenty issues have arrisen in the past 2 years from plastic not being up to the companies specs. Normal process follows, ie company say lift your game. Factory turned around and demanded more money and higher wages, and held Japanese company to ransom. I'm pretty sure they have come to a small aggrement as things are again moving slowing. I cannot say anymore as I know no further details. But assume the Japanese company will be taking their manufactuering to another factory/country within 2 years. I'll find out more when I'm in Japan in October.

[Tezzax5]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=42v0ftWoaXk

Thanks for the heads up Dupain

Some of us bogans actually try and stop this rubbish from being imported into this country for a job

Looks like the factory has already offloaded some counterfeit goods in malaysia.

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip-infrin ... nd-piracy/

[Odd]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=42v0ftWoaXk

Thanks for the heads up Dupain

Some of us bogans actually try and stop this rubbish from being imported into this country for a job

Looks like the factory has already offloaded some counterfeit goods in malaysia.

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip-infrin ... nd-piracy/

LOVE IT!

[project.r.racing]

It so legit they gotta blur their faces. Scared of being chased down and recognised by the authorities.