A wee bit scary

[Mr Morlock]

The explanation sounds plausible but it is flawed. Dupain has no experience in the business at all.
A braking system is is a complex piece of equipment and to tool it up for reasonably high production with quality tooling is an expensive exercise. The process of design and testing is expensive and time consuming.. Far more involved than the layman would understand. Brembo or any component supplier of size will have Quality systems and accreditation to meet OEM requirements and the backyarders don't have this nor do they supply Oem standard.

Brembo as an example will not share their specs or drawings or test specs but parts can be copied as far as shape is concerned but performance will not be equal. You cannot legally use another makers brand and pass it off as the real thing but it goes on. Where a consumer buys an item is revealing. If you buy from dodgy sources don't expect good product at least for critical applications.

Consumers buy on a level of trust and regulation. Personally I think some retailers are not doing it as well as they should and the recalls on electrical items is a pointer to failures in process.

The consumer has no idea where components or sub assys etc are made. Brembo as the example can easily outsource some components and almost surely does but they set the spec and select an approved source.

[markwid]

Brakes are brakes argument reminds me of recent deaths by dodgy USB chargers.

This teardown article is an interesting read.
http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pricey.html

[MattR]

Terry,

9 pages on and you still haven't told me if you want me to pick up a couple of sets of these Blembo blakes for you?

I won't be over here for ever you know.......

[Odd]

I keep looking at this thread
It makes me feel guilty
It's like slowing down to check out a car crash
You know you shouldn't look...but you do!

[Lokiel]

:
I work with Chinese aftermarket items each day. Fitment is never correct, tolerances are always off. Materials can be inferior.

As someone who works with knock offs and aftermarket components every single day, they are far from superbly made.

This is a way too common issue with "Made in China" products and many O/S companies that manufacture in China find that they need to rigorously police quality themselves rather than rely on Chinese quality control. There's a "make it even cheaper mindset" in China so quality goes out the window as soon as no-one's looking so that the factory can make more profit.

If China ever decides to adopt Japanese quality standards, manufacturing would be over for just about every other country.

[Snowmotion]

I don't mind people copying other designs if they do not infringe current patents. But I have a big problem with people trying to pass off a product as being made by someone else. (Counterfeit, forgery are the words that come to mind)
If they are prepared to deceive me on the brand what else have they taken a short cut on?
Equally, Companies that spend the money researching and developing product to get a patent deserve the opportunity to make a profit. It is why we are all in business, To make a profit.

If the Chinese product is well made it will sell on it's own merits.

[Pamex]

Dupain, no one is saying brake technology has changed. They're arguing that those components may be inferior. Inferior casting which could lead to cracking etc. Tolerances not quite right, could lead to leaks.

[meanmx]

Mmmmmm fake drugs. It's ok, they look the same and that's all that counts huh?

[sailaholic]

Not to mention aluminium is very touchy in terms of material composition.

[hks_kansei]

Not to mention aluminium is very touchy in terms of material composition.

No, aluminium is aluminium. Dupain has said so.


It's great news, because now I can save all those beer cans and melt them down.
I might make a cast of my wheels and make a few spare sets to sell.

Any buyers?

The original is aluminium, and this one will be aluminium, so it's the same thing!

[StanTheMan]

well this is a COW. LMAO.

Australia has changed a lot in the last 20-30 years. Were all about co-operate, Governance , rules & regulations. We are a nanny state. There is no such thing as free trading in Australia. Unions, Professional associations , local councils, State laws & so on make business very hard. And they have protected industries. Most of these laws are there to justify someones position, which is great for keeping the unemployment down. But this makes it harder & harder for the smaller operator to flourish.
also big business seems to get around all theses bullshit laws put in place by associations, TGA, insurance & so on. especially in the Optical industry in which I work in.

I don't work in the automotive Industry so i may be a little naive but I can't see these counterfeit Brembo kits landing on our shores any time soon. Because of our protective laws. apart from us purchasing them from OS directly.

all I can see is genuine Brembo's being parallel imported and maybe sold at 2/3rds the price.

[gslender]

Fair go. You'd have to do this in China, because if it comes from there we are assured of it being done correctly. They don't have backyard operators who are in it for just a few bucks - everyone there is honest and only copies because they just can and brakes are brakes.


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[StanTheMan]

Fair go. You'd have to do this in China, because if it comes from there we are assured of it being done correctly. They don't have backyard operators who are in it for just a few bucks - everyone there is honest and only copies because they just can and brakes are brakes.


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Australia used to be about fair go. Where a handshake was a deal. And people honored that deal. There is far too much bulshit about everything here in AU.
why has it changed? I have my theory.....But I'll be labeled as racist and hypocrite.

NZ on the other hand is a pleasure. Its easy. people give you a fair go. Even goverment departments. Its how AU used to be.

[gslender]

I guess that proves that sarcasm isn't easily detected on the inter-web.... oh well....

[StanTheMan]

Faulty sarcasm meter......right.....oooops

Sorry