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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Odd » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:13 pm

Dupain wrote:
project.r.racing wrote:
Mr Morlock wrote:The NA only had pop ups because Mazda did not have another headlamp available and that did not come along until the NB P1.
You are old enough to remember the 80s. Pop ups where not because nothing else was available. Pop ups was the bees knees of performance car lighting in the late 80s and early 90s.


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Holden Calais turbo (not pop up but rotated to work)(owned one)
+ the MX5 was modelled on Lotus Elan...and it had pop up headlights....;)
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby speed » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:32 pm

Aussie Stig wrote:I am surprised that nobody mentioned that the only reason for pop ups are US legislation regarding sealed beams.

I could live happily with an NA6 with
better seats
better lights
lots of bracing
NB2 brakes
wider tyres
and maybe a S/C or small turbo....

I'm with you on this :)


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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby speed » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Odd wrote:
Dupain wrote:
project.r.racing wrote:
Mr Morlock wrote:The NA only had pop ups because Mazda did not have another headlamp available and that did not come along until the NB P1.
You are old enough to remember the 80s. Pop ups where not because nothing else was available. Pop ups was the bees knees of performance car lighting in the late 80s and early 90s.


MR2 SW20
Nissan EXA
Ford Capri
Honda Integra?
Honda Prelude
Toyota Supra
Mitsubishi 3000 something?


Mazda Astina (owned one)
Holden Calais turbo (not pop up but rotated to work)(owned one)
+ the MX5 was modelled on Lotus Elan...and it had pop up headlights....;)

Ah, the bg Astina. Have owned 2 sp's and they were great :)


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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Vat » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:09 pm

project.r.racing wrote:The rotor is dead. As much as MAzda dont wanna give up on it. The world is moved on from it.


It'll turn up as the generator component of a hybrid system for small cars. It has some pretty significant packaging advantages, and running it as a generator to supply batteries for an electric motor takes away the bulk of its fuel efficiency, lubrication and emissions issues.

Whether that translates into a sports model is another question. RXE-7 anyone?

It would make sense for Mazda to try and diversify the ND platform from a business point of view, but I would think Mazda are more than aware the MX-5 is the current 'halo' model and they need to get it right.
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Mr Morlock » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:54 pm

I will stick with the assertion that the MX5 engineers used pop ups because they had no alternative for the mx5 NA they did not have a low profile custom headlamp or the funds to develop it.

Pop ups were never state of the art. The pop ups ie with round inserts merely used a light source which had already been around for many years. All the pop did was raise the lamp. Pop ups were not the lamp of choice on most cars. The Falcon and Camira as local examples were using custom headlamps in 1984 and they outperformed 7 inch rounds. Alfa were using 7 inch round and a separate high beam insert in the 60s.

Incidentally the Capri headlamps were atrocious and to make them even worse they were rectangular. In Aust they were halogen but USA were sbu's and just about useless.

The other downside for pop ups was the need for electric motors and linkages which could cause maintenance and other failures in service.

The choice of which MX5 is the best looking is personal choice.

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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby taminga16 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:32 pm

I enjoy nothing more than going to an MX-5 event and being able to paw over all of the models and variants. When I purchased my first MX someone left a hand written note under the wiper blade inviting me to the Thursday night Garage Caf'e, that visit led me to here and to the club, it was brilliant.

I have quoted this before, but the things that I remember most from my pre-purchase research (I had plenty of time) are that MX-5 ownership requires one to be prepared to smile more often, wave to complete strangers, get used to kids shouting stuff other than abuse and to extend your sunscreen budget.
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby speed » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:44 pm

Mr Morlock wrote:speeds comment that the RX7 was based on the lotus élan, the same as the mx5" is just plain wrong at least as far as MX5 is concerned. Anyone doubt it;read the history as related by the designers


I cut and paste for you below, starting with RX7, then MX5 and highlight in bold. No doubt you will pick on the wording but check the timeframe...

First generation RX7

Series 1 through 3 were the first generation of RX-7s that had styling inspired by the Lotus Elan 2 2. This version, except for one model of Series 3, shipped with the 12A engine. Series 1 refers to the "SA22C" cars, sold as 1979 and 1980 model years. Series 2 (from then on called "FB"s, referring to their vehicle identification number, which begins JM1FB) refers to the 1981 - 1983 model years, which had wraparound taillights and updated engine control components. The Series 3 refers to the 1984 - 1985 model years which featured an updated lower front fascia and different gauge display layout. (The S3 RX-7 is the only rotary-engined car to not have a centrally mounted tachometer.) The GSL-SE model (S3 only) had a fuel injected 1.3L 13B-DEI engine and stronger drivetrain components.

Options and models varied from country to country. The gauge layout and interior styling in the Series 3 was only changed for North American versions. Additionally, North America was the only market to have offered the 1st generation RX-7 with the fuel injected 13B. For other countries, Mazda used a turbocharged (but non-intercooled) 12A engine for the top end model. Additionally, the FB designation was only used in North America after the US Department of Transportation mandated 17 digit Vehicle Identification numbers. Elsewhere in the world, the 1st generation RX-7 kept the SA22C designation. In Japan, Mazda sold the RX-7 as the Savanna, replacing the RX-3.

Sales were strong, with a total of 474,565 first-generation cars produced; 377,878 were sold in the United States alone. In 2004, Sports Car International named this car #7 on its list of Top Sports Cars of the 1970s. In 1983, the RX-7 would appear on Car and Driver magazine's Ten Best list for the first time.


MAZDA MX5 HISTORY

The idea of a low cost, simple, small but highly entertaining convertible seems like an obvious one. But it took 13 years, a new approach to car development and a drop of fate to achieve it. In 1976 US journalist Bob Hall put the idea to Kenichi Yamamoto, Head of Research & Development at Mazda. He suggested that to crack the US market Mazda needed to reinvent the classic British roadster of the 1960s - like the Lotus Elan, MGB and Austin Healey Sprite. Several years later in 1981 and now an employee of Mazda in product planning, Hall revisited the idea with Yamamoto who was now ran Mazda. Yamamoto gave the green light to developing the idea and through an innovative product development programme the project was given to competing teams in Japan and America. The brief was simple - create a low cost but highly rewarding roadster for the 1990s.

The American design team worked on a classic rear wheel drive, front engine layout while the Japanese team favoured a mid engined, rear wheel drive concept. Eventually the US version won the competition and in 1989 the Mazda MX-5 - as in Mazda eXperimental project number 5 - was launched. With input from British company International Automotive Design the finished Mazda MX5 car owed a lot to the seminal Lotus Elan of the 1960s. Like the Lotus, the Mazda was a low cost convertible with low weight, relatively low power and superb handling. It expressed the Mazda design philosophy 'rider and horse as one.'
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby taminga16 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:59 pm

And the reason behind Red, White and Blue NA's was... well it's obvious now. :)
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Nevyn72 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:48 am

First look at the new front end! :shock:

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"A Convertible has a top you can put down when the weather's nice...... A Roadster has a top you can put up when the weather's bad."

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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby taminga16 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:23 am

It looks like a suprised Panda. :shock:
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby ManiacLachy » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:30 am

For legit?

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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Nevyn72 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:44 am

ManiacLachy wrote:For legit?

Yep, confirmed by some bloke on the interwebz...... :mrgreen:
"A Convertible has a top you can put down when the weather's nice...... A Roadster has a top you can put up when the weather's bad."

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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby taminga16 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:59 am

Only one Bloke?
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby JBT » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:06 pm

Only one because everyone else is dumbstruck :!: :shock:
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Re: ND Thoughts

Postby Odd » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:30 pm

Not real...Photoshop
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