NB - lightest model with ABS (in AU)?

[Mr Morlock]

If you think that 4 wheels locked up is something one wants to do on the road you are mistaken. Four wheels locked means no control. What ABS does is unlock a wheel so that a driver may be able to regain control.

from the web- "These days it is almost impossible to buy a new car or SUV for over AUD$16,000 that does not come standard with ABS.

These vehicles come standard with one of the greatest road safety innovations since seatbelts. This is Anti-Lock or Anti-Skid Braking Systems or ABS".

Cars like the Forester or Territory on dirt a brilliant actually if dríven sensibly- try driving an old style 4WD an FJ Toyota or a other cart sprung light truck with the basics and see a enormous difference.

"As such ABS cannot overcome the laws of physics. Drivers of ABS equipped cars should continue to drive in a safe manner, maintaining an appropriate following distance for the road and weather conditions".

[sailaholic]

magpie the cars are good it's the calibration of the stability systems off road that are limiting.

On gravel you need some lock up to cut through the gravel to the base.

Mud you just want to lock everything and try and plow some some earth up for resistance.

I was told mitsubishi took some of the calibrations from the Evo (have bitumen / gravel / snow settings) and applied it to things like the pajero and triton. So high 4 slows the abs pulse to allow getting under the gravel.

Low 4 turns of stability control etc.

Not sure how much truth there was in what I was told.

I also agree old single channel abs systems sucked if the car had tired suspension. Sailed into many an intersection with it.


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[M1474]

Morlock, control is the ability to not lock or lock a wheel as desired. ABS removes this choice.

If a spinning car rotates under or over 180deg, the inability to lock the wheels will cause them to then gain traction and cause it to change direction and spear off the road.

Ideally you shouldn't be spinning in the first place but if there is a perfect driver I haven't met him yet.


OP, the 10AE is probably your best bet but what ever you get you can always add lightness, there are heaps of threads on the subject.

[Mr Morlock]

ABS provides more chance for a driver to control a vehicle not less and hopefully people don't see old technology as good for todays generation.

[project.r.racing]

Almost correct. It provides more chance for a driver to control a vehicle not less in near normal driving situations.

Just like all other driver aids, once you are past a certain point of actual control, they then become useless.

[ED_MX5]

I have found both worlds are usefull. On track I cannot stand ABS.
however, as gslender says, if used correctly abs works well. I have had situations in my old non power assisted no abs ford escort where I was glad of no abs, but something that i am glad of is when some fwit decided to drive across three lanes of traffic and almost took out the front end of my car, I hit the brakes hard, kept them down and drove around him with millimetres to spare. Both systems have their advantages I believe mind you, I must say that some abs is absolutely terrible. You have to have good abs to start with for it to work as it should.